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Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by dnautics »

stavros wrote: post #40
dnautics wrote: post #37

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If a house has a rotten foundation, a good plan will start with "let's tear it down". Not every plan that starts with "let's tear it down" will be a good plan.

well the first step is the same, so might as well get that part done with.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

An expected part of Project 2025[1]. The end goal is to install Trump allies as heads of every agency that matters to their agenda, and to shut down all agencies that don't. This way by end of 2028 there is nobody left in government who can speak out against what they're going to do next.

If you have not read Project 2025 in a while, I encourage you to revisit it[2]. In summary it's a point-by-point plan to take over the entire federal government in order to enforce a single political ideology and suppress dissent. You can track[3] it as it gets implemented.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 [2] https://static.heritage.org/project2025/2025_MandateForLeade... [3] https://www.project2025.observer/en

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Post by kybernetikos »

dnautics wrote: post #37
Forbo wrote: post #18

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All systems have problems. What's your evidence that the system in the US is overall net negative? Pretty much the entire rest of the world would have loved to have a scentific system as good as that in the USA. The research output from both government and business was much more extensive and productive of value than the equivalent systems in europe for example.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by kybernetikos »

stavros wrote: post #40
dnautics wrote: post #37

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If a house has a rotten foundation, a good plan will start with "let's tear it down". Not every plan that starts with "let's tear it down" will be a good plan.

I think maybe a better analogy would be "the ladder I'm standing at the top of has some faulty rungs near the bottom. I'll set it on fire."

There are lots of things where tearing the system down and starting from scratch is a bad idea, especially if you do it while depending on it and before you have a replacement.

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Post by burkaman »

gwerbin wrote: post #32
dnnddidiej wrote: post #30

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He is also the real danger. He is an adult responsible for his own decisions and capable of saying no. Treating him and his supporters like easily manipulated children is not helpful.
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