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Simulacrum of Knowledge Work

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Re: Simulacrum of Knowledge Work

#41

The article asserts that the quality of human knowledge work was easier to judge based on proxy measures such as typos and errors, and that the lack of such "tells" in AI poses a problem. I don't know if I agree with either assertion… I've seen plenty of human-generated knowledge work that was factually correct, well-formatted, and extremely low quality on a conceptual level. And AI signatures are now easy for people…

It was and still is a negative filter, not a positive one. Meaning it is easy to reject work because there typos and basic factual errors, absence of them is not a good measure of quality. Typically such checks is the first pass not the only criteria.

It is valuable to have this, because it the work passes the first check then it easier to identify the actual problems. Same reason we have code quality, lint style fixed before reasoning with the actual logic being written.

Re: Simulacrum of Knowledge Work

#44

The article asserts that the quality of human knowledge work was easier to judge based on proxy measures such as typos and errors, and that the lack of such "tells" in AI poses a problem. I don't know if I agree with either assertion… I've seen plenty of human-generated knowledge work that was factually correct, well-formatted, and extremely low quality on a conceptual level. And AI signatures are now easy for people…

> I don't know if I agree with either assertion… I've seen plenty of human-generated knowledge work that was factually correct, well-formatted, and extremely low quality on a conceptual level.

Putting a high level of polish on bad ideas is basically the grifter playbook. Throughout the business world you will find workers and entire businesses who get their success by dressing up poor ideas and bad products with all of the polish and trimmings associated with high quality work.

Re: Simulacrum of Knowledge Work

#46
"How do you know the output is good without redoing the work yourself?"

Verifying the correctness of solutions is often much easier than finding correct solutions yourself. Examples: Sudoku and most practical problems in just about any field.

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"The training doesn't evaluate 'is the answer true' or "is the answer useful.'"

Lets pretend RLVF does not exist to give this argument a chance. Then, while the training loop does not validate accuracy directly I guess, the meta-training loop still does. When someone prompts a model, the resulting execution trace shows if the generated answer is correct or not, and this trace is kept for subsequent training runs. The way coding agents are used productively is not: a) generate code with AI and b) run it yourself; its a) ask the AI to do something, including generating the code and running it too, no step b. This naturally creates large training sets of correct and incorrect solutions.

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"We spent billions to create systems used to perform a simulacrum of work."

Have you even tried using these systems to produce valuable work? How could this possibly be your conclusion after having tried them?

Re: Simulacrum of Knowledge Work

#47

With AI, we‘re cargo-culting understanding. We‘re reproducing the surface of having understood something, but we‘re robbing ourselves the time and effort to truly do it.

AI can do things on its own, without you understanding them yes.

But if you are trying to understand something well, there is no better tool for helping you than AI.

Re: Simulacrum of Knowledge Work

#48
Why is it not more of a scandal that all these anti-AI articles are written, using large language models?

Why is that not an embarrassment for everyone who moans and carps and complains about the craft?

Re: Simulacrum of Knowledge Work

#49
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that pre-LLM era was a "golden age of quality", far form it. It's that LLMs have removed yet another tell-tale of rushed bullshit jobs.

Have they though?

For example, science articles written in Word vs. Latex helped filter out total cranks.

Re: Simulacrum of Knowledge Work

#50
> The training doesn't evaluate "is the answer true" or "is the answer useful." It's either "is the answer likely to appear in the training corpus" or "is the RLHF judge happy with the answer." We are optimising LLMs to produce output which looks like high quality output.

It's not quite as dire as this. One of the main reasons why LLM's are getting better over time is that they are used themselves to bootstrap the next generation by sifting through the training set to do 'various things' to it.

People often forget that the training corpus contains everything humanity ever produced and anything new humanity will produce will likely come from it as well. Torturing it with current generation models is among the most productive things you can do to improve the next generation systems.

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