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UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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Post by nmeofthestate »

threepts wrote: post #24

They also permanently banned coke,meth and other drugs since the inception of law, guess how that turned out? "The Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) estimated that 8.7% of people aged 16 to 59 years (around 2.9 million people) reported using any drug in the last 12 months for the year ending (YE) March 2025; there was no statistically significant change compared with YE March 2024" I believe limiting people's…

There are less harmful ways to get addicted to nicotine that will continue to be legal for people affected by this legislation.

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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Post by bombcar »

weego wrote: post #11
stevenalowe wrote: post #4

I cannot fathom the twists of logic necessary to justify such a specific and arbitrary prohibition

Smoking related illness costs the UK more in healthcare than the tax revenue it collects. No twist needed, it's really fucking logical.

Raise taxes until it balances!

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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Post by oompydoompy74 »

pkulak wrote: post #18

Wow, lots of libertarian absolutists up this morning. Guys, that's all well and good as a philosophy, but you need to integrate your views into the world around you too. When you live in a society that has _decided_ to collectively shoulder health care costs, and assume responsibility for everyone's health, you also may need some ground rules. I know it sucks, because _you_ may have just been born there and you don't…

I guess they should ban all the chippies too. Everyone is unhealthy in their own way and that’s the cost of doing business. Socializing healthcare does not require banning unhealthy behavior. It turns out that money does in fact grow on trees and they can make more because it’s fucking fake and it always has been. How are we going to pay for this!?! You literally create money. Governments do it all the time for missiles .

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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Post by stavros »

threepts wrote: post #24

They also permanently banned coke,meth and other drugs since the inception of law, guess how that turned out? "The Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) estimated that 8.7% of people aged 16 to 59 years (around 2.9 million people) reported using any drug in the last 12 months for the year ending (YE) March 2025; there was no statistically significant change compared with YE March 2024" I believe limiting people's…

You think education is effective? How much educating do they need to do about meth being bad before people stop using it?

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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Post by fontain »

tt24 wrote: post #27

This is the logical conclusion when you socialize healthcare. If you’re pro NHS / single payer, you *must* support this. As well as banning drugs, sugar, extreme sports, unprotected sex, and other high risk behavior. Anything short of this just doesn’t make sense.

I assume you’re being sarcastic but just in case: the goal of single payer healthcare isn’t to spend the least amount of money on healthcare. The goal of single payer healthcare is to guarantee everyone a minimum quality of life. You can believe that the minimum quality of life includes the option to engage in unprotected sex and sky diving.

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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Post by pkulak »

roenxi wrote: post #30
pkulak wrote: post #18

Wow, lots of libertarian absolutists up this morning. Guys, that's all well and good as a philosophy, but you need to integrate your views into the world around you too. When you live in a society that has _decided_ to collectively shoulder health care costs, and assume responsibility for everyone's health, you also may need some ground rules. I know it sucks, because _you_ may have just been born there and you don't…

The ironic part to me is you're making an argument similar to one the libertarian absolutists make - society can't shoulder healthcare costs because then it'll need to start taking responsibility over how healthily people live their lives. Without even taking a position on good or bad of it, if the "you also may need some ground rules" is going to stick, why not also bring in mandatory exercise and ban people from su…

> why not also bring in mandatory exercise and ban people from sugar and alcohol too

I literally said "so care needs to be taken" and you hit me with a slippery slope argument?

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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Post by amiga386 »

weego wrote: post #11
stevenalowe wrote: post #4

I cannot fathom the twists of logic necessary to justify such a specific and arbitrary prohibition

Smoking related illness costs the UK more in healthcare than the tax revenue it collects. No twist needed, it's really fucking logical.

Life is not a balance sheet, Christie Malry.

https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng209/resources/impact-on-n...

> Smoking-related illness is estimated to cost the NHS £2.6 billion a year

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2019/01/nhs-long-term-plan-will-h...

> Alcohol-related harm is estimated to cost the NHS in England £3.5 billion every year.

If we look exclusively at numbers, prohibition would save money. If that's all we care about, try that out - oh, the Americans did, and it wrecked their country and filled it with gangsters, because no amount of trying to stop people drinking actually stopped people drinking, and normal people having to pretend they weren't going to drink, but secretly really really needing it and finding criminals to supply them with drink built out an entire parallel black economy and gave gangsters huge amounts of money and power.

If we're looking at saving money, maybe just kill the long-term disabled and elderly? Easy win for saving money! That's all that matters, after all.

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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Post by bdangubic »

kakacik wrote: post #25
bdangubic wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you get caught buying/using/… you go to prison

I dont think you can hide with smoking cigarettes almost anywhere, the stink is far too strong, characteristic abd outright repulsive. Also, you normally dont go to jail by using drugs... what a clueless comment

cut up a line of coke at a public place, preferably next to a police officer and see how that works out for you :)

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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Post by trebligdivad »

It's going to make for an interesting future age verification problem; For a few years it'll be easy, because it's still only going to be asking people under say 25 for proof; but then in a few decades it's going to be people trying to figure out if there customer is over 40 say.

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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Post by briandw »

weego wrote: post #11
stevenalowe wrote: post #4

I cannot fathom the twists of logic necessary to justify such a specific and arbitrary prohibition

Smoking related illness costs the UK more in healthcare than the tax revenue it collects. No twist needed, it's really fucking logical.

It’s also cheaper to euthanize people rather than treat them. It’s just logical.
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