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A Collection of Chronic Medical Conditions Common in Autistic and ADHD Adults [pdf] (2023)

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Re: A Collection of Chronic Medical Conditions Common in Autistic and ADHD Adults [pdf] (2023)

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This is great, check my post history, I've been beating this drum for many years now. hEDS is very very very under-diagnosed and this one simple fact is sufficient to explain a the prevalence of a whole zoo of seemingly unrelated conditions. There is an incentive to keep hEDS as a 'rare' disease as the US has extra grants for disease in this classification and this has put pressure on diagnostic criteria which was ma…

That sounds like a high cholesterol diet. It’s very easy to get heart disease (the #1 killer!) doing that.

There exists evidence that dietary cholesterol and the cholesterol in your blood are unrelated.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9143438/

Re: A Collection of Chronic Medical Conditions Common in Autistic and ADHD Adults [pdf] (2023)

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This is great, check my post history, I've been beating this drum for many years now. hEDS is very very very under-diagnosed and this one simple fact is sufficient to explain a the prevalence of a whole zoo of seemingly unrelated conditions. There is an incentive to keep hEDS as a 'rare' disease as the US has extra grants for disease in this classification and this has put pressure on diagnostic criteria which was ma…

> hEDS is very very very under-diagnosed

Ehlers-Danlos syndrome is severely over-diagnosed right now by providers who are unqualified to diagnose it, a few charlatans who sell incorrect diagnoses as a specialty to serve a demand, and scores of TikTokers who think they understand better than the specialists.

> and this one simple fact is sufficient to explain a the prevalence of a whole zoo of seemingly unrelated conditions.

This is precisely why it's being over-diagnosed: The internet culture definition of Ehlers-Danlos has become the latest catch-all to explain a host of unrelated symptoms. Patients who are frustrated with a lack of answers stumble upon Facebook groups, Reddit posts, TikTok videos, YouTube talking heads, or other social media outlets where non-medical people explain that Ehlers-Danlos can explain almost any vague symptom you have.

This has become a big problem for Ehlers-Danlos specialists because it's getting hard to identify the correct referrals from all of the self-diagnosed patients demanding referrals from their doctors.

> There is an incentive to keep hEDS as a 'rare' disease as the US has extra grants for disease in this classification and this has put pressure on diagnostic criteria which was made more strict so fewer people would be diagnosed with it.

Sorry, there is no conspiracy to withhold diagnoses from people. Doctors aren't getting together and conspiring to stop patients from getting the right diagnosis so they can collect more grants.

This conspiracy doesn't even make sense. Doctors and researchers do not financially benefit from keeping diagnoses down. If they wanted more funding, they would be working hard to get more people diagnosed. More people getting diagnosed means more money flowing in from insurance companies and it becomes a higher priority for grants. Not the other way around!

> * The progression of prevalence of hEDS over the years has gone from 1/50K, 1/15k, 1/5k, to 1/500 which is insane.

Even the Ehlers-Danlos society, which leans toward the more generous diagnostic criteria, does not claim that hEDS is 1 in 500 [https://www.ehlers-danlos.com/what-is-eds/]

There are some populations where you can find higher incidence, but 1 in 500 is not true at all.

Re: A Collection of Chronic Medical Conditions Common in Autistic and ADHD Adults [pdf] (2023)

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post #35
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On the off-chance that psychosomatic suggestibility is on this list, I'm not even looking at it.

What's the context for that, I don't get it

Hypochondria is really common among autistic people. To the point that it's an in-joke and meme among the community.

Re: A Collection of Chronic Medical Conditions Common in Autistic and ADHD Adults [pdf] (2023)

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If this PDF isn't triggering your skepticism, you need to adjust your sensitivity for pseudoscience. It's a PDF put together by an organization that sells "neurodiversity trainings for organizations". They try to lend legitimacy by linking to papers describing conditions, but their claim that these are all a "cluster" just goes to a YouTube video of their own webinar where they discuss their "lived experiences" as the basis for their claims.

The document mixes science with pseudoscience. It was put together by someone who subscribes to the current social media trends that blend together real diagnoses in a way that have been distorted and stretched to become generic catch-all explanations for vague conditions

This mess where conditions like MCAS, hEDS, POTS, and ADHD are all swirled together into a cluster of co-diagnoses is becoming a huge problem on social media. Even the individual groups for these conditions are become sick of the trend of pushing them all as co-diagnosis. One example from the ME/CFS forums sampling the frustration with how people incorrectly self-diagnosing with all of these conditions as a cluster is becoming a problem for each individual condition: https://www.s4me.info/threads/problems-arising-for-pwme-from...

This should be flagged away as it's both misinformation and a document serving as a lead gen for their training services based on misinformation (see the link at the bottom of the document)

Re: A Collection of Chronic Medical Conditions Common in Autistic and ADHD Adults [pdf] (2023)

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Autism and ADHD are a (deep) habit of the attention. A habit of moving the attention in a way that is possibly unhealthy, unuseful and probably discordant to what's common and normal. One solution is to change that habit with drugs or therapy. Another solution is to gain a greater understanding of your attention. Thus gaining a new freedom to move your attention in whatever way, rather than suffering the governance o…

What do meditation people do with their great powers of attention? Besides for naval gazing of course.

Sufficiently-developed concentration gives you access to the jhanas, which are extremely blissful states of consciousness. Having reliable access to high valence reduces your need to seek pleasure in less wholesome things (drugs, food, twitter, etc.)

Sufficiently-developed attention gives you insight into how your brain is constructing what you perceive as reality, leading to a reduction in ego, permanent reduction in baseline suffering, and a pervading sense of unity with the rest of the universe.

Re: A Collection of Chronic Medical Conditions Common in Autistic and ADHD Adults [pdf] (2023)

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This is a stark reminder why you use LaTex or typst with a good template for typesetting your scientific contributions. Unless you learned basic typography that is. This eyesore looks like it was done in Word & Co. What a pity, given what a treasure trove this is. As someone with a partner who has ADHD I think this should be mandatory reading for any GP.

> for typesetting your scientific contributions.

This is not a scientific contribution. It's basically a pamphlet for a group of people selling "neurodiversity trainings" for organizations.

Re: A Collection of Chronic Medical Conditions Common in Autistic and ADHD Adults [pdf] (2023)

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This is Sick-Tok's greatest hits. I am a former special education teacher and current emergency medicine physician and have tremendous compassion for those who are truly dealing with life-limiting conditions like ASD and real EDS (the kind that causes aortic dissections among other very serious kinds of pathology). I simultaneously have compassion for those who are suffering physically and psychically and who want an explanation and a label and for some reason find their way towards wanting to identify as chronically ill / disabled.

It's a tough thing but from what I have seen, pursuing the diagnoses on this list makes life worse for the vast majority of people who choose to do so. There is a rapidly expanding cottage industry of charlatans who will diagnose and treat these things, and others who post about them online and feed the cycle. I'll admit spectrum bias, since I see the ones who come to the ER with concern about these issues and they skew hard in a certain direction but this is overall not a good thing.

Re: A Collection of Chronic Medical Conditions Common in Autistic and ADHD Adults [pdf] (2023)

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Autism and ADHD are a (deep) habit of the attention. A habit of moving the attention in a way that is possibly unhealthy, unuseful and probably discordant to what's common and normal. One solution is to change that habit with drugs or therapy. Another solution is to gain a greater understanding of your attention. Thus gaining a new freedom to move your attention in whatever way, rather than suffering the governance o…

What do meditation people do with their great powers of attention? Besides for naval gazing of course.

Insight under concentration is a mechanism for durable neural rewiring.

Ever notice how some people don't get 'stuck' in their negative habits and brain loops? Like they can just let them go. If they get feedback from the world they can take it seriously and act on it, instead of digging in their heels and getting resentful. Being able to do this reliably and under stress in the wide variety of life circumstances, and getting closer and closer to doing it in real-time, is the goal.

Re: A Collection of Chronic Medical Conditions Common in Autistic and ADHD Adults [pdf] (2023)

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I think this has nothing to do with commonality and more to do with the fact everyone I know who is autistic (I work in tech) has been obsessively getting themselves diagnosed with things since they were like 14 like its a religion. Just has a new thing wrong with them weekly

When people constantly dismiss and mock you like this, treat you like you're the problem, it creates a deep need to find an explanation and justification.

You should try harder to treat autistic people like people, instead of mocking and dismissing things you can't be bothered to try understanding. Comorbidity is a very real thing. Autistic people do have high incidence of comorbid conditions. Your narrow view of the world does not represent universal truth. Hypochondria is common among autistic people, because they commonly have real issues. When everyone refuses to take you seriously, you have to find your own answers. You're the problem here, bud.

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