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ML supports existence of unrecognized transient astronomical phenomena

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Re: ML supports existence of unrecognized transient astronomical phenomena

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The lead author on this paper is a professor of anesthesiology. I think it's fairly safe to describe its conclusion as crank-adjacent, if not outright cranky.

Wake up sheeple!

Oh.. uh hold on a second... removes anesthesia mask from patient

Wake up sheeple!

Re: ML supports existence of unrecognized transient astronomical phenomena

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody has ever found the slightest smidgen of evidence of aliens, nor any plausible theory of what aliens would be like. It's about as likely as someone inventing a car that runs on water.

While it's always good to elevate evidence-based knowledge above "woo" or "belief", it's not healthy to close your mind off completely against anything that isn't currently proven. We might know that we don't know a lot of things, but the most interesting thought experiments happen in the area that concerns the things we don't know that we don't know.

When an engineer tells me he built a car that runs on water, he'd better bring some pretty amazing evidence. And no, I'm not going to waste time reading his paper looking for the inevitable flaw, either.

I've heard "evidence" of aliens my entire life. Guess how many panned out. Zero. But that never seems to discourage anyone from believing that an artifact on a photo must have the most implausible explanation ever - aliens!

Where do you draw the line? Time travel? Teleportation? Astrology? Fortune tellers? Razor blade sharpening? Reincarnation?

Re: ML supports existence of unrecognized transient astronomical phenomena

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"Not aliens" seems obvious but shouldn't be a basis for dismissing this either. I feel like sometimes we are so determined to dismiss aliens that we accept any plausible alternative too quickly, when there might be something else more interesting that is neither obvious nor aliens.

Aliens are not plausible.

I think you just did the thing, but with his comment

Re: ML supports existence of unrecognized transient astronomical phenomena

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps you didn't write what you meant. I read it as we shouldn't think it is obvious that they aren't aliens.

> there might be something else more interesting that is neither obvious nor aliens.

I tend to think there is a really good chance all the "its aliens" phenomena are natural phenomena that we are hundreds of years away from even having the tools to study. Probably like early humans trying to guess what the sun is made of.

Re: ML supports existence of unrecognized transient astronomical phenomena

#45

Transient 'objects' after nuclear tests are quite possibly high energy radiation from the tests themselves. Remember these are on film, and the film is likely removed from its protective housing for some time before, during, and after imaging. (And in many cases protective housing wouldn't help anyway.) I get the sense that this topic is popular because "aliens y'all". It's much more likely to be radiation. It's poss…

When I was a research physicist I spent a lot of time looking at the effects of ionizing radiation in pictures, although mostly in the context of digital images. The mechanisms are a bit different for photo emulsions, but to me the reason I'd discount radiation is because they're specifically filtering for features that exhibit the expected point spread function (which is a geometric property of the telescope's optic…

+/- 1 day of nuclear testing because these are old records so dates and times reported might be inaccurate.

Re: ML supports existence of unrecognized transient astronomical phenomena

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Why not?

Nobody has ever found the slightest smidgen of evidence of aliens, nor any plausible theory of what aliens would be like. It's about as likely as someone inventing a car that runs on water.

... wouldn't this be a slight smidgen of evidence?

Re: ML supports existence of unrecognized transient astronomical phenomena

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I read the pre-publishing version of this paper, and there was then and still is a serious problem with their logic, consistent with if not bad faith, something akin to it: Assume for a moment their core hypothesis is correct, there were transient objects captured on film pre-Sputnik in LEO objects. What might we say about their nature? The authors' undisguised implication is "it's aliens" to be blunt; that's their m…

Assuming what you say is true then couldn't that be validated by making additional observations in the present day? Since we'd assume some sort of statistical distribution for such objects. Is there any reason that would be unrealistic?

Re: ML supports existence of unrecognized transient astronomical phenomena

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I read the pre-publishing version of this paper, and there was then and still is a serious problem with their logic, consistent with if not bad faith, something akin to it: Assume for a moment their core hypothesis is correct, there were transient objects captured on film pre-Sputnik in LEO objects. What might we say about their nature? The authors' undisguised implication is "it's aliens" to be blunt; that's their m…

That was the era of above ground testing. Is it possible that some of these tests kicked pieces of metal into LEO? Though I suppose that those orbits would see streaks, not point sources, in the photographs when you have an hour exposure.

Re: ML supports existence of unrecognized transient astronomical phenomena

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If the transients occur immediately following the nuclear explosions but not before them, then the correlation together with the earth shadow deficit suggests that the transients are caused by reflective debris produced by the nuclear explosions. I don't know how feasible it would be for this debris to survive the explosion and be blasted above the atmosphere to glint in the sunlight at night, but there is the case of the missing manhole cover from one of the Operation Plumbbob tests: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plumbbob#Missing_ste...

Re: ML supports existence of unrecognized transient astronomical phenomena

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody has ever found the slightest smidgen of evidence of aliens, nor any plausible theory of what aliens would be like. It's about as likely as someone inventing a car that runs on water.

... wouldn't this be a slight smidgen of evidence?

Nope
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