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Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

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Post by DrProtic »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #36
DrProtic wrote: post #18

Killing children is costly business.

Especially when you use smart weapons to try to minimize it from happening as collatoral damage (though that doesn't change the awefulness when a school seems to have wrongly been targeted, smart weapons are only as good as their target information). It's much cheaper to just gun down 30,000 protestors in the street protesting that they don't want to be raped by Islamic religious morality police if they don't wear ha…

We have a lot of videos of protests in Iran yet no videos of mass killings whatsoever.

30k murders is the same as Iraq’s WMD but people are too gullible to see that.

I see how smart those bombs are in Iran and Lebanon, they are able to surgically destroy whole residential buildings.

Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

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Post by mcphage »

ericmay wrote: post #33
mcphage wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They shouldn't have needed a JCPOA anyway - why was Iran pursuing nuclear weapons in the first place? This current war is why.

We wouldn't have a war if Iran wasn't pursuing nuclear weapons. It's post-hoc justification. The JCPOA excuse can quietly and safely be discarded. It's a bad argument.

> We wouldn't have a war if Iran wasn't pursuing nuclear weapons. It's post-hoc justification.

And you feel this war is going to get them to stop?

Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

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Post by za3faran »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #36
DrProtic wrote: post #18

Killing children is costly business.

Especially when you use smart weapons to try to minimize it from happening as collatoral damage (though that doesn't change the awefulness when a school seems to have wrongly been targeted, smart weapons are only as good as their target information). It's much cheaper to just gun down 30,000 protestors in the street protesting that they don't want to be raped by Islamic religious morality police if they don't wear ha…

We don't even know if that number is correct (the 30k protesters, especially given the heavy mossad invovlement), but let's pretend to care about human life and kill even more. Didn't trump threaten to wipe out an entire civilization?

Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

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Post by ericmay »

legitster wrote: post #35
ericmay wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is the crux of the thing though. North Korea, Pakistan, Israel, and even South Africa all had successful and clandestine nuclear programs without any military intervention. Going to war with Iran is completely arbitrary - there is no direct threat to the US, and we did it without any cooperation with any of the countries actually dependent on Gulf oil. Or maybe we just learned our lesson. Is the world better f…

If it's purely about non-proliferation then partnering with Israel on this is extremely hypocritical. > If we think it needs to be done, we just do it. It's not up to those who have no ability to do anything about it to decide whether we get to do something or not. Says who? I don't think anyone outside of a small group of hyper-Imperialists actually believe this. Even if I bought the premise that a war is preferable…

> If it's purely about non-proliferation then partnering with Israel on this is extremely hypocritical.

I didn't suggest it was purely non-proliferation (I'm assuming you are talking about the war itself) - I was just responding to the JCPOA aspect.. We partner with nuclear states all the time, such as the United Kingdom and France. We're even partnering with Pakistan now to help facilitate negotiations with Iran.

> Even if I bought the premise that a war is preferable to the JCPOA, what's the actual end goal? Bombing Iran into submission was always a delusionary idea. Taking and occupying the country is the only realistic, long-term path if we want to go down this hardline path.

Now we're talking. I really am not totally sure about what the best response here was. But I'm also very much of the opinion that this has been war-gamed to death by the Pentagon. Perhaps we had some faulty assumptions. Perhaps it's still too early. Even today I was reading that there was a leaked internal communication where the Iranian ruling regime is becoming increasingly concerned about the economy due to the blockade. There's a lot to discuss here in general.

Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

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Post by ericmay »

cholantesh wrote: post #38
ericmay wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is false because Iran was pursuing a nuclear weapon before Trump ever came into office. the JCPOA was signed under Obama. It wouldn't have existed had Iran not already been pursuing nuclear weapons. Iran can obviously hide nuclear weapons and uranium enrichment activities from the inspectors. Unless of course you believe the US intelligence agency and inspection agencies are capable of perfect intelligence. :) >…

More like you are ignoring the US' prodigious client in the region running amok.

No I'm not ignoring Israel, I'm just evaluating Israel in context. Have they done shitty things? FOR SURE. Does that excuse Iran and Hamas with respect to the October massacre? No absolutely not. But play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

On the other hand, the US just forced Israel to the negotiating table with Lebanon with a single tweet. Hopefully Israel and Lebanon can work together to rid themselves of Hezbollah and restore peace. We know the UN peacekeepers certainly couldn't help here.

Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

DrProtic wrote: post #41
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially when you use smart weapons to try to minimize it from happening as collatoral damage (though that doesn't change the awefulness when a school seems to have wrongly been targeted, smart weapons are only as good as their target information). It's much cheaper to just gun down 30,000 protestors in the street protesting that they don't want to be raped by Islamic religious morality police if they don't wear ha…

We have a lot of videos of protests in Iran yet no videos of mass killings whatsoever. 30k murders is the same as Iraq’s WMD but people are too gullible to see that. I see how smart those bombs are in Iran and Lebanon, they are able to surgically destroy whole residential buildings.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000010723018/iran-p...

Amnesty International https://amnesty.ca/urgent-actions/iran-thousands-of-protest-...

United Nations Report https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements-and-speeches/2026/03/sta...

From a less reputable source: https://www.newsnationnow.com/world/iranian-nurse-protesters...

The regime admits 3,000. According to human rights group tracking numbers the regime reports about 10% of it's political executions, so following that 30,000 would be about right.

There were lots of morgue videos with mass deaths. There were videos of large crowds fleeing as gunshots are fired. There were videos of men on rooftops firing into crowds. What exact videos are you looing for? There are reports by family of doctors/nurses them being taking away. Of them being killed.

Destroying 1 building is much better than the random cluster bomb dispersal over whole neighborhoods that Iran is doing.

Your response of just using an ad hominem calling me gullible and providing zero information to back up the name calling up is not in line with the HN community guidelines though I understand the guidelines deliberately aren't enforced in the normal way and exceptions are made for one side's narrative of the ongoing mideast crisis.

Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

tastyface wrote: post #40
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially when you use smart weapons to try to minimize it from happening as collatoral damage (though that doesn't change the awefulness when a school seems to have wrongly been targeted, smart weapons are only as good as their target information). It's much cheaper to just gun down 30,000 protestors in the street protesting that they don't want to be raped by Islamic religious morality police if they don't wear ha…

"A whole civilization will die tonight"

Did it actually happen or was it failed Trump negotiating bluster?

My entire life Iran/Shia leaders have called for my and all my nations deaths and the destruction of my entire country/civilization. I remember being terrified as a kid seeing the news, seeing video of a whole nation chanting for me and my families death, for death to American civilization, tied with hostage taking, bombings, kidnapping, parading of missiles. 60 minutes used to have stories on Iran's hatred and desire for the American civilizations destruction all the time. It greatly shaped my view of Islam (though now I understand it was just Shia islam).

Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

za3faran wrote: post #43
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially when you use smart weapons to try to minimize it from happening as collatoral damage (though that doesn't change the awefulness when a school seems to have wrongly been targeted, smart weapons are only as good as their target information). It's much cheaper to just gun down 30,000 protestors in the street protesting that they don't want to be raped by Islamic religious morality police if they don't wear ha…

We don't even know if that number is correct (the 30k protesters, especially given the heavy mossad invovlement), but let's pretend to care about human life and kill even more. Didn't trump threaten to wipe out an entire civilization?

https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000010723018/iran-p...

Amnesty International https://amnesty.ca/urgent-actions/iran-thousands-of-protest-...

United Nations Report https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements-and-speeches/2026/03/sta...

From a less reputable source: https://www.newsnationnow.com/world/iranian-nurse-protesters...

The regime reported 3000. According to human rights agencies Iran normally reports 10% of their political executions so going by history (and ignoring the people stating 30,000 is correct), extrapolating from regime numbers and human rights groups analysis 30,000 would match historical numbers.

I don't know what your mossad comment has to do with anything. Seems like 'the Gaza Health Ministry is Hamas' level hand waiving away of senseless amounts of civilian death.

I'm sorry but are you equating Trump hyperbole resulting in nothing as equal to the actual murder of 3000-30000 civilian protestors who just didn't want a government that raped/murdered people for choosing not to follow a religion's morality laws?

Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

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Post by DrProtic »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #46
DrProtic wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have a lot of videos of protests in Iran yet no videos of mass killings whatsoever. 30k murders is the same as Iraq’s WMD but people are too gullible to see that. I see how smart those bombs are in Iran and Lebanon, they are able to surgically destroy whole residential buildings.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000010723018/iran-p... Amnesty International https://amnesty.ca/urgent-actions/iran-thousands-of-protest-... United Nations Report https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements-and-speeches/2026/03/sta... From a less reputable source: https://www.newsnationnow.com/world/iranian-nurse-protesters... The regime admits 3,000. According to human rights group tracking numbers the regime repor…

None of your sources display any kind of evidence whatsoever.

Where are videos of police opening fire on protesters?

30K deaths and not a single video circling around? How’s that possible?

X-Ray? Really?!

All you posted is “report says”. Again, just like “report said” there were WMD.

Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

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Post by DrProtic »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #48
za3faran wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't even know if that number is correct (the 30k protesters, especially given the heavy mossad invovlement), but let's pretend to care about human life and kill even more. Didn't trump threaten to wipe out an entire civilization?

https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000010723018/iran-p... Amnesty International https://amnesty.ca/urgent-actions/iran-thousands-of-protest-... United Nations Report https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements-and-speeches/2026/03/sta... From a less reputable source: https://www.newsnationnow.com/world/iranian-nurse-protesters... The regime reported 3000. According to human rights agencies Iran normally reports 10% of…

I’m sure destroying their civilization will help them a lot.
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