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French government agency confirms breach as hacker offers to sell data

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Re: French government agency confirms breach as hacker offers to sell data

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If governments are treating my personal data as if it is worth nothing, then I'm not going to treat copyrighted works as if they are worth something.

If you want to build a society on information, then you cannot forget the most important group.

Re: French government agency confirms breach as hacker offers to sell data

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post #18

It seems to me we must move away from worrying about ransomware, data breach, data protection as that ship has already sailed and everyone's PII has already been stolen. We should think of how to verify people's identities online (for things like government benefits etc). I have heard of the Dutch and the Japanese using national digital identity systems although I am unclear how they work. India is doing biometrics.…

Biometrics is just something else to get leaked, terrible idea because it's even more sensitive (can be used to track you through cameras for example, like used in the Iran war). This problem has long been solved with federated IdPs and MFA - something you own like OTP device/physical token besides something you know like SSN/tax id/password. Most governments prefer biometrics of course because citizen privacy is the…

> Most governments prefer biometrics of course because citizen privacy is the opposite of what they want.

Or... it's something that you always have on you which is incredibly hard to fake.

Re: French government agency confirms breach as hacker offers to sell data

#43
post #18

It seems to me we must move away from worrying about ransomware, data breach, data protection as that ship has already sailed and everyone's PII has already been stolen. We should think of how to verify people's identities online (for things like government benefits etc). I have heard of the Dutch and the Japanese using national digital identity systems although I am unclear how they work. India is doing biometrics.…

Biometrics is just something else to get leaked, terrible idea because it's even more sensitive (can be used to track you through cameras for example, like used in the Iran war). This problem has long been solved with federated IdPs and MFA - something you own like OTP device/physical token besides something you know like SSN/tax id/password. Most governments prefer biometrics of course because citizen privacy is the…

I would not go that far to say all govts are like that. The main problem is majority of citizens cannot easily remember such things. Even simple PIN that is included in EU ID cards - most people don't remember or use. people want frictionless use.

Re: French government agency confirms breach as hacker offers to sell data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

are govs required to comply with GDPR and data breaches laws?

Yes, but unelected bureaucrats only impose fines on the private sector.

Do you mean fines for tiny companies?

Re: French government agency confirms breach as hacker offers to sell data

#45
post #10

> the data stolen in the breach could include full names, dates and places of birth, mailing and email addresses, and phone numbers on an undisclosed number of citizens Nothing really new here sadly, this information about me have leaked half a dozen of times in the past 2-3 years or so. These things will never change if the only penalty the company/agency gets is "send a message to your users saying you are sorry an…

> Nothing really new here sadly

Facts at Equifax

Re: French government agency confirms breach as hacker offers to sell data

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I trust Google more than any government with my data. One needs security to survive the other couldn’t care less. Google selling data? So far no one came to blackmail me for certain dispositions, while the other does as they want, IRS, foreign governments, social security whatever. Google can be sued while the other gives itself a pass. Who is the baddie? In Germany the administration put massive duties on IT provide…

I don't understand the downvotes. Literally every single German email provider took like 5 years to implement 2FA. Even now lots of security issues with many German providers that claim privacy. Even so-called DE-mail was sham. Still somehow people assume FAANG is crap in data security. (Yes, I am not demanding privacy from ANY MultiNational company)

Re: French government agency confirms breach as hacker offers to sell data

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My full name, phone number, and address were leaked by TAP Air Portugal about five years ago, along with the details of my parents who were on the same booking. Since then, my dad has been targeted by those types of scams where a fraudster impersonates me to ask for money. I never received a notification from TAP; I only found out a year later through my Google One security feature. I certainly didn't get an apology—…

I'm dissatisfied about the TAP leak as well! I was affected, and like you, didn't even receive a notification - nevermind compensation for having leaked my personal data to the dark web enabling all sorts of shenanigans that make my personal life difficult.

About 2 million portuguese there. Basically all active portuguese adults that have enough financial conditions to travel by airplane.

It was a fantastic leak, based from an excel file asked by a marketing department which forgot it inside a shared folder on the hacked (private) server. There was far more info there than just that, also included the details of employees and more interesting if they were on medical leave.

Curiously enough many of those employees were family members from politicians and well-known people. Some of those in long term sick leave were receiving a monthly salary while conducting live shows on festivals during the summer.

Nothing happened on the news. They all went silent about this case.

Re: French government agency confirms breach as hacker offers to sell data

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post #10

> the data stolen in the breach could include full names, dates and places of birth, mailing and email addresses, and phone numbers on an undisclosed number of citizens Nothing really new here sadly, this information about me have leaked half a dozen of times in the past 2-3 years or so. These things will never change if the only penalty the company/agency gets is "send a message to your users saying you are sorry an…

Wait, you don’t even get a month of free credit monitoring?

There is no such thing in France (or most countries for that matter). It's a pretty absurd system that gamifies and profits off heuristics, and results in a Kafkaesque nightmare where you can't get a job, rent a place or get a loan because of an arbitrary value assigned by a company with a profit motive. One that has no incentive to get things right or even get the right person.

How things work in France is much simpler and better. When you apply for a loan, the lender checks with Banque de France (national bank) if you have outstanding debts and if you've defaulted on any debts in the past 5 years. That's it, that and your proof of revenue is all they need.

Re: French government agency confirms breach as hacker offers to sell data

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I find it especially ironic that they would leak all my data, given the fact that they would ask of me to forward them every piece of id imaginable whenever I needed to forge or amend a new one (when adding a mention on my driver's license for instance). Like they didn't have access to it anyway.

They do have to prove who you are, and to do that you need to show your ID(s) and they need to check it in their system. I don't understand your comment.

I already have to log to their website with 2 factor authentification. I had to walk and physically present my id card, install the numerical identity app. That should be enough.

Also, apart from reuploading IDs, they ask for information such as age, name, place of living, and a thousand more things that they already have and doesn't need to be provided to establish that you really are you.

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