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Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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The US single-handedly dominating AI at this point probably means a handful of tech overlords in charge of a surveillance society which depends on AI for everything, with some vague promises that everyone else will get some sort of allowance if they feel benevolent enough. For all existential risks discussed about ASI or whatever, having an oligarchy in complete control of this tech is maybe even worse.

So, I guess we all have to hope that more money does not necessarily lead to a "victory" here.

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meta is not in the AI game any more

Just saw Zuckerberg post from July 2025 saying they are going to be "careful" with what they release.

1) In the AI world, that's a very long time ago

2) That still equates to "Meta is not in the AI game any more" in meta-corporate speak

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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AI society is going to be: - you, chained on your sofa, watching ads "tailored-made by AI for you" - weaponized robots roaming the streets to ensure everyone is "at work" and not "at leisure activities" - "no need to vote", of course, because "AI already knows what's good for you"...

Why don’t we go out in the streets and protest? Like the french did some centuries ago. If only we stop using instagram, youtube, if we stop searching in google, if we ditch claude, openai, for a couple of days… the billionaries will notice it and get hurt. That would be like a warning from our side

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Urgh wtf :|

Unfortunate i can't find the source though:

"He had a video on Youtube where he proudly gloated about how he voted for Trump in not one but two elections, how happy he is that he can now openly talk about it, how its a fresh start for US, how catastrophic Harris would have been. Did he take down the video because of embarrassment or did he fear negative impact on his sales?"

So i asked him and he voted for Trump only in 2016 so at least this source is not true.

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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AI society is going to be: - you, chained on your sofa, watching ads "tailored-made by AI for you" - weaponized robots roaming the streets to ensure everyone is "at work" and not "at leisure activities" - "no need to vote", of course, because "AI already knows what's good for you"...

> - you, chained on your sofa, watching ads "tailored-made by AI for you" Blipverts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blipvert

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Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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That investment chart is hilarious and terrifying. You Americans better hope this whole AI thing pans out.

It's not a chart of investment by patriotic US citizens seeking to better the country such that the country "wins" .. more like a chart of military and motte and bailey investments made by individual feuding Norman clans each seeking to be the last castle standing and in control of all the throttle points and gates across the country and ideally the world.

This is a good time to reflect on the etymology of "Banana Republic" [0]. I suspect most people don't see fruit companies as a major threat, but they'll kill and ravage to get people cheap bananas.

This idea that the morals of the people making investments is in any way relevant is a bit of a misframe. Investors are capable of any evil, the default position is of surprise if one of them is investing out of some sense of responsibility. The point of the economic system is it channels some of the most ghoulish and horrible people to do good as an accidental side effect of their mad rush to wealth and power. Works really well, on average everyone wins.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic#Etymology

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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> Do you want the US to "win" AI? I don't want any one particular country, or organization, to "win" AI. I want AI capabilities to remain diffuse and spread out, so that everybody has access to approximately equal levels of AI. If anything, you might say that I want "Open Source to win AI".

>I want AI capabilities to remain diffuse and spread out... The most widely used AI systems are controlled by a few billionaires. I'd like to see it become much more spread out.

Fair. I could have phrased that better. I agree, things should ideally become even more diffuse than they currently are!
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