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Southern Poverty Law Center indicted for fraud, money laundering

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Re: Southern Poverty Law Center indicted for fraud, money laundering

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Post by xvxvx »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #39
xvxvx wrote: post #11

“The SPLC was not dismantling the groups,” Blanche said. “It was instead manufacturing the extremism it purports to oppose by paying sources to stoke racial hatred.” There was always something suspicious about the SPLC, almost like a big brother of the ADL. Both organizations profit greatly from the very thing they supposedly fight. Why dismantle something when you can turn it into a cash cow? The past decade has bee…

So what's your critique of Blanche?

My least favorite Golden Girl. Horribly over the top accent.

Re: Southern Poverty Law Center indicted for fraud, money laundering

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Post by Cytobit »

drob518 wrote: post #8
gruez wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The scam was roughly the same as firemen paying arsonists to justify their salaries. What about paying low level arsonists to rat out their boss?

Private non-profits don’t do that. Police do that.

If non-profits don't do that, what is SPLC being indicated for?

Re: Southern Poverty Law Center indicted for fraud, money laundering

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Post by Cytobit »

rationalist wrote: post #18
gruez wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? It's not obvious why only cops can pay money for informants. You might say that they're paying criminals, but that's not clear either. The US has quite liberal free speech laws. You can say a lot of objectionable things without violating any laws.

> You might say that they're paying criminals, but that's not clear either. The US has quite liberal free speech laws. You specified paying arsonists in your first comment. I assume arson is a criminal action and not protected by free speech.

It's not illegal to give a criminal money. People donate to Trump all the time.

Re: Southern Poverty Law Center indicted for fraud, money laundering

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Post by fuckinpuppers »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #34

I guess we might see as the case actually starts up, but I tend towards this basic posture: > Infiltrating hate groups with informants is something that goes way back to the civil rights era and before. It's never been something only the government can do, especially when the government is more likely to be showing up for the white power happy hour every third Thursday at Chili's. https://bsky.app/profile/andycraig.b…

Yes this is lawfare. They paid people to infiltrate. That’s exactly what going undercover is, and we don’t have any problems with that.

This is them applying a bias against an institution they don’t like by framing it as fraud and abuse (while they ransack the country at levels 100x larger)

Re: Southern Poverty Law Center indicted for fraud, money laundering

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Cytobit wrote: post #45
rationalist wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You might say that they're paying criminals, but that's not clear either. The US has quite liberal free speech laws. You specified paying arsonists in your first comment. I assume arson is a criminal action and not protected by free speech.

It's not illegal to give a criminal money. People donate to Trump all the time.

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Re: Southern Poverty Law Center indicted for fraud, money laundering

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Post by xtiansimon »

dsl wrote: post #32
drob518 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here’s the indictment: https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1437146/dl

I never doubted for a second that someone at the DoJ wrote a bunch of words. Unfortunately we have good cause to call them into question.

True. Legal reporting has been focusing on the “presumption of regularity” as having been eroded significantly by this administration.

“The presumption of regularity (omnia praesumuntur rite et solemniter esse acta) is a legal principle assuming that public officials and government agencies properly perform their duties, act in good faith, and follow legal procedures.”

Re: Southern Poverty Law Center indicted for fraud, money laundering

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Post by jonahbenton »

xvxvx wrote: post #11

“The SPLC was not dismantling the groups,” Blanche said. “It was instead manufacturing the extremism it purports to oppose by paying sources to stoke racial hatred.” There was always something suspicious about the SPLC, almost like a big brother of the ADL. Both organizations profit greatly from the very thing they supposedly fight. Why dismantle something when you can turn it into a cash cow? The past decade has bee…

Read the lawdork piece. And read the 990s from the organizations to see where the money goes.

It pays not to be bamboozled by bad faith actors like Todd Blanche.

Re: Southern Poverty Law Center indicted for fraud, money laundering

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Post by drob518 »

Cytobit wrote: post #44
drob518 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Private non-profits don’t do that. Police do that.

If non-profits don't do that, what is SPLC being indicated for?

Read the indictment: https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1437146/dl
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