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Re: Louis Zocchi, games industry pioneer, has died

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91 is respectable for a reasonable man in the early 21st century. A few unreasonable people want a bit more.

Nothing unreasonable about wanting to live healthy and longer. It's not likely tho.

A guess?

That’s what people always say until science progresses. I remember when we believed HIV would not be treatable.

Science advances one funeral at a time.

Re: Louis Zocchi, games industry pioneer, has died

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The amount of games that use those kinds of dice make his contribution to tabletop gaming incommensurable. Sad to see him passing. But 91 yo is more than respectable

> But 91 yo is more than respectable And it still fits on a d100!

And it's a respectably high roll!

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There are only 5 Platonic Solids https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_solid : D4, D6, D8, D12 and D20. There are 13 more solids with equal faces and vertex (but not equal edges) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_solid but none of them has 100 faces (It looks like a nice project for 3D printing.) You can cut the corners, but now the faces are different and ensuring all the faces have the same probability is a ni…

Martin Gardner wrote an article on platonic solids in Scientific American, December 1958, and mentioned this in passing: "All five Platonic solids have been used as dice. Next to the cube the octahedron seems to have been the most popular". I have no idea what games using 8-sided dice were somewhat popular (or existed at all) in 1958 or earlier? I wondered about that since I first read that article some decade ago. I…

I've seen some octahedrons but they pale in comparison to the six siders - I suspect partially because it's hard to see an octahedron and assume it's fair. It looks like a parallelogram.

Besides gambling games most dice in antiquity were used in rituals or soothsaying.

Re: Louis Zocchi, games industry pioneer, has died

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Joking aside, is throwing 2d10 and using one for tens and one for units different from throwing 1d100?

Throwing 2d10 of different colors is equivalent of trowing 1d100. It's nice they have different colors to avoid discussions, but you can throw them in two different bins or one at a time or something. Remember to sum them as (x-1) * 10 + (y-1) + 1, that is a clear indication of why zero-based indexing is better. (Does someone sell "decade" dice, which faces say: 10, 20, 300, ..., 90 and 100?)

> (x-1) * 10 + (y-1) + 1

Is that not equivalent to:

> (x-1) * 10 + y

or:

> x * 10 + y - 10

Re: Louis Zocchi, games industry pioneer, has died

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More than just the d100 he was a pioneer of being very exacting when it came to making polyhedral dice. See http://www.1000d4.com/2013/02/14/how-true-are-your-d20s/

I remember reading his original page - what fun insight into something nobody "really" cared about (casinos care about honest dice but only six-sided).

Re: Louis Zocchi, games industry pioneer, has died

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Throwing 2d10 of different colors is equivalent of trowing 1d100. It's nice they have different colors to avoid discussions, but you can throw them in two different bins or one at a time or something. Remember to sum them as (x-1) * 10 + (y-1) + 1, that is a clear indication of why zero-based indexing is better. (Does someone sell "decade" dice, which faces say: 10, 20, 300, ..., 90 and 100?)

E.g. * https://boxcarsandoneeyedjacks.com/product/10-sided-decade-d... * https://extrememathgames.com/product/10-sided-decade-dice-00...

Cool, they also have dice with up to 5 zeros, to build your own 1d-million. I have sizable dice collection but I have never seen a 1d1000000 in person, I need to get one...

Re: Louis Zocchi, games industry pioneer, has died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Joking aside, is throwing 2d10 and using one for tens and one for units different from throwing 1d100?

Throwing 2d10 of different colors is equivalent of trowing 1d100. It's nice they have different colors to avoid discussions, but you can throw them in two different bins or one at a time or something. Remember to sum them as (x-1) * 10 + (y-1) + 1, that is a clear indication of why zero-based indexing is better. (Does someone sell "decade" dice, which faces say: 10, 20, 300, ..., 90 and 100?)

almost all d10's are zero-based, 0-9. And the "decade" die is 00-90. So it's just a simple matter of adding the rolls, no complicated math. And 0=100.

Re: Louis Zocchi, games industry pioneer, has died

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Met him at GenCon UK in the 1990s. His Doc-From-Back-To-The-Future energy was absolutely mesmeric. He had five towers of D10s in a plastic tubes. Three towers was the standard dice we all had in our bags and two were towers of his Game Science d10s. The standard dice towers all had different heights but the two game science towers were identical heights. He explained that for the regular dice, the smoothing process (which made them nice to hold!) changed the shape enough that they weren't regular sized anymore. The Game Science dice weren't smooth (sharp edged) and so they kept their shape. Of course, if you want a die to roll fairly, it needs to be a regular shape.

I bought a Zocchihedron cos we were playing a game that used percentages (Icar RPG) but rolling it was hilariously haphazard as it was essentially a ball! Loved it tho. I later received the game science dice set as a gift, which I still have. Sadly little time to play these days.

Re: Louis Zocchi, games industry pioneer, has died

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So I think this article is a bit misleading, he did not invent the polyhedral dice, he just made them better. "He was the first to create polyhedral dice for the U.S. market" is a weird sentence, I'm not sure what it's going for, but I think it's referring to the fact that early D&D dice were I believe imported, but I forget the details.

One bit I love from the early history of Gamescience is he didn't have the capital to make a full D&D set off the bat, so he'd get one dice mold made, release that one, then take the profits to make the next mold. Forget which was first but I think the d4 was early.

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