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EV sales soar in main European markets as drivers shun expensive petrol

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Re: EV sales soar in main European markets as drivers shun expensive petrol

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Post by izacus »

ManuelKiessling wrote: post #36

I say this as someone who owns two EV cars, zero ICE cars, and loves everything about owning and driving EVs: it baffles me how quickly and noticeably consumers shift their preferences; I think I read something along the lines of „for the average German commuter, the petrol price spike means 6 euros plus per week in spending“ — and that is enough for so many people to go „okay screw it I’m switching to new technology…

The second part is the fact that domestic brands all came out with good EVs and many people are installing home solar which makes savings even more drastic.

Re: EV sales soar in main European markets as drivers shun expensive petrol

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Post by vel0city »

measurablefunc wrote: post #31
wao0uuno wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Copper is a widely recycled metal. Is there not enough copper on earth to replace all ICE cars with EVs? Can you post some sources? And those numbers you keep talking about so I can verify if your calculator is working alright.

I already posted the link. You are welcome to verify the details for yourself by following up on what you take to be articles of faith. The burden of proof is on you to explain why the numbers actually work.

Your link is an oil industry shill saying asinine things like EVs are too expensive because they have welds in their manufacturing processes.

Mark Mills is the founder of The National Center for Energy Analytics. Where do they get their funding? Groups like the Texas Public Policy Foundation. Where do they get their funding? That's right, billionaire oilmen.

https://www.texasobserver.org/revealed-the-corporations-and-...

Dude is paid to throw out falsehoods and sow doubt and confusion on behalf of oil industry billionaires.

> The burden of proof is on you to explain why the numbers actually work

The burden of proof is on you to share actual data of your claims there's not enough copper for EVs not ramblings of paid liars on a YouTube video.

> following up on what you take to be articles of faith

Hilarious you're suggesting him asking for actual data is him relying on blind articles of faith while your video is just a man rambling without any actual hard facts in a video, saying lots of things that just on their face make little sense.

Re: EV sales soar in main European markets as drivers shun expensive petrol

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Post by rsynnott »

ManuelKiessling wrote: post #36

I say this as someone who owns two EV cars, zero ICE cars, and loves everything about owning and driving EVs: it baffles me how quickly and noticeably consumers shift their preferences; I think I read something along the lines of „for the average German commuter, the petrol price spike means 6 euros plus per week in spending“ — and that is enough for so many people to go „okay screw it I’m switching to new technology…

I mean, realistically it's only going one direction.

Re: EV sales soar in main European markets as drivers shun expensive petrol

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Post by rsynnott »

jesterson wrote: post #6

I wonder what way of thinking these people exercise. They think electricity prices are somehow shielded from price going up?

Very few electricity grids (I think _none_ in Europe?) are particularly dependent on oil. Many European grids are quite _gas_ dependent, but gas prices are considerably less volatile than oil.

Re: EV sales soar in main European markets as drivers shun expensive petrol

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Post by torvoborvo »

measurablefunc wrote: post #31
wao0uuno wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Copper is a widely recycled metal. Is there not enough copper on earth to replace all ICE cars with EVs? Can you post some sources? And those numbers you keep talking about so I can verify if your calculator is working alright.

I already posted the link. You are welcome to verify the details for yourself by following up on what you take to be articles of faith. The burden of proof is on you to explain why the numbers actually work.

You act like no one has ever seen propaganda before. An extraordinary claim that all of society neglected some simple math, (even at significant personal investment losses in many cases) needs a bit more than one video.

Re: EV sales soar in main European markets as drivers shun expensive petrol

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Post by ManuelKiessling »

bamboozled wrote: post #40
ManuelKiessling wrote: post #36

I say this as someone who owns two EV cars, zero ICE cars, and loves everything about owning and driving EVs: it baffles me how quickly and noticeably consumers shift their preferences; I think I read something along the lines of „for the average German commuter, the petrol price spike means 6 euros plus per week in spending“ — and that is enough for so many people to go „okay screw it I’m switching to new technology…

It’s the stress around it, not the current price. That’s what people are replacing. If I’m trying to plan for the future in a world where conflicts this destructive are permanently on the menu, I’m not going to ever buy an ICE car again. No one wants to be at the mercy of anyone else where possible and as someone who only owns ICE cars, it’s been very stressful few weeks.

I think you are on to something here. But it would mean that sentiment could change on a whim: a serious blackout somewhere in Europe that makes continent-wide headlines, and EV demand might crash.

Re: EV sales soar in main European markets as drivers shun expensive petrol

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Post by IshKebab »

jesterson wrote: post #6

I wonder what way of thinking these people exercise. They think electricity prices are somehow shielded from price going up?

Don't accuse people of not thinking before you've thought about it.

Charging an electric car at home is a lot cheaper than filling an ICE car with petrol. If the price of both doubles you save more money by switching to electric.

To make it really simple...

Before: Petrol car costs £10k to buy, plus 20p/mile (or whatever). Electric car costs £20k, plus 5p/mile.

After: Petrol car costs 40p/mile. Electric car costs 10p/mile.

That pushes the incentive towards electric.

Re: EV sales soar in main European markets as drivers shun expensive petrol

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Post by measurablefunc »

vel0city wrote: post #42
measurablefunc wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I already posted the link. You are welcome to verify the details for yourself by following up on what you take to be articles of faith. The burden of proof is on you to explain why the numbers actually work.

Your link is an oil industry shill saying asinine things like EVs are too expensive because they have welds in their manufacturing processes. Mark Mills is the founder of The National Center for Energy Analytics. Where do they get their funding? Groups like the Texas Public Policy Foundation. Where do they get their funding? That's right, billionaire oilmen. https://www.texasobserver.org/revealed-the-corporations-and…

You've convinced me, the data you have presented definitely makes it clear & obvious that Mark Mills is wrong & you are right.

Re: EV sales soar in main European markets as drivers shun expensive petrol

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Post by a_shovel »

melling wrote: post #34
a_shovel wrote: post #25

The next administration needs to mandate the big American auto companies produce more EVs in more models in order to save them from the irrelevance they seemingly desire and arguably deserve.

You’re part of the problem, not the solution. There’s an entire political backlash against EVs because of mandates. The Trump Administration actually prevented California from having EV quotas. Simply let in EVs from China and let American car companies go out of business.

There's a political backlash against vaccines because of mandates too, and I think we shouldn't listen to them either.

Re: EV sales soar in main European markets as drivers shun expensive petrol

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Post by vel0city »

measurablefunc wrote: post #48
vel0city wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your link is an oil industry shill saying asinine things like EVs are too expensive because they have welds in their manufacturing processes. Mark Mills is the founder of The National Center for Energy Analytics. Where do they get their funding? Groups like the Texas Public Policy Foundation. Where do they get their funding? That's right, billionaire oilmen. https://www.texasobserver.org/revealed-the-corporations-and…

You've convinced me, the data you have presented definitely makes it clear & obvious that Mark Mills is wrong & you are right.

But this guy says 9 out of 10 doctors prefer Camels!

Mark Mills is essentially the same as those researchers who told you cigarettes don't cause cancer and lead in the gas isn't anything to worry about.

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