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Teddy Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln in the same photo (2010)

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Re: Teddy Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln in the same photo (2010)

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The past is so much closer than you think. We are only three human lifetimes away from the American Revolution. The last living children of American slaves were around into the 2010s. Back to Teddy, the last living person who could have met him was still around in the 2000s as well, meaning in your lifetime you could have talked to someone who knew someone who saw Abe Lincoln alive.

"Last Witness to President Abraham Lincoln Assassination on 'I've Got A Secret' Television Show"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RPoymt3Jx4

Re: Teddy Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln in the same photo (2010)

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For some reason, this reminded me of spotting a very young Mick Jagger at the first televised performance of Hey Jude by the Beatles.

Also, a young Bill Clinton shaking JFK's hand. These sort of baton-passing moments are interesting to see from all sides.

Re: Teddy Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln in the same photo (2010)

#43
post #9

The past is so much closer than you think. We are only three human lifetimes away from the American Revolution. The last living children of American slaves were around into the 2010s. Back to Teddy, the last living person who could have met him was still around in the 2000s as well, meaning in your lifetime you could have talked to someone who knew someone who saw Abe Lincoln alive.

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Re: Teddy Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln in the same photo (2010)

#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last Civil War soldier died in 1956.

Last Civil War died in 2020: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War_widows_who_...

Where are you seeing 2020? Also, this list is widows, not veterans.

Re: Teddy Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln in the same photo (2010)

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last Civil War soldier died in 1956.

Last Civil War died in 2020: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War_widows_who_...

These wives were not alive in 1865.

Re: Teddy Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln in the same photo (2010)

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post #5

The timeline doesn't match up here. We're told that historian Stefan Lorant was doing his research in the 1950s. Then we're told that he checked with Teddy Roosevelt's wife and got her confirmation that one of the children in the window was Teddy Roosevelt. Roosevelt was married twice, and his first wife, Alice Hathaway Lee, died in 1884, so it's not her. But his second wife, Edith Carow, died in 1948, at age 87. So…

> But she would have been just three years old at the time of Lincoln's funeral, and while her family and the Roosevelt's family socialized together, even her quoted reminiscence is less than definitive about whether that's actually TR. While she might not have direct memory of the event, it would not be unheard of for older relatives to explain the picture to her when she was older. Just because she doesn't remember…

> While she might not have direct memory of the event, it would not be unheard of for older relatives to explain the picture to her when she was older. Just because she doesn't remember it directly does not automatically make the story of the picture untrue.

I have a memory of having a tantrum at the Taj Mahal which can't be a real memory because I would have been 3 at the time. But it definitely h appened. It's a reconstructed memory from having seen a photo my dad took from the trip and my dad telling me about it.

Re: Teddy Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln in the same photo (2010)

#47

For some reason, this reminded me of spotting a very young Mick Jagger at the first televised performance of Hey Jude by the Beatles. Also, a young Bill Clinton shaking JFK's hand. These sort of baton-passing moments are interesting to see from all sides.

is there any photo of jagger there? I can't find anything, Clinton is no problem to find

Re: Teddy Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln in the same photo (2010)

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But she would have been just three years old at the time of Lincoln's funeral, and while her family and the Roosevelt's family socialized together, even her quoted reminiscence is less than definitive about whether that's actually TR. While she might not have direct memory of the event, it would not be unheard of for older relatives to explain the picture to her when she was older. Just because she doesn't remember…

I have a few vague memories of being 3. I expect if something dramatic had happened, I'd remember that.

I can guarantee that something dramatic happened, based on observing a few 3 year olds.

Re: Teddy Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln in the same photo (2010)

#49
post #9

The past is so much closer than you think. We are only three human lifetimes away from the American Revolution. The last living children of American slaves were around into the 2010s. Back to Teddy, the last living person who could have met him was still around in the 2000s as well, meaning in your lifetime you could have talked to someone who knew someone who saw Abe Lincoln alive.

There is an anecdote a regarding Napoleon and Bertrand Russell. One lifespan can be relatively close to two events that an are seemingly far apart.

Bertrand Russell was raised by his grandparents. His grandfather met Napoleon when Napoleon was imprisoned in Elba, and talked about this with Bertrand.

Bertrand was alive to watch the moon landing on TV.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_Russell

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4OXtO92x5KA

Re: Teddy Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln in the same photo (2010)

#50
post #9

The past is so much closer than you think. We are only three human lifetimes away from the American Revolution. The last living children of American slaves were around into the 2010s. Back to Teddy, the last living person who could have met him was still around in the 2000s as well, meaning in your lifetime you could have talked to someone who knew someone who saw Abe Lincoln alive.

The last Civil War soldier died in 1956.

Yep, my mom (still alive) remembers seeing many interviews with Civil War vets when she was a kid in the 40's.
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