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How Big Tech wrote secrecy into EU law to hide data centres' environmental toll

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Re: How Big Tech wrote secrecy into EU law to hide data centres' environmental toll

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Post by Frieren »

postepowanieadm wrote: post #25

EU has a really big problem with lobbing/corruption. Qatargate, russian connections, von der Leyen–Pfizer affair.

Oil countries (that includes the USA) buying political will in Europe is nothing new. The EU was already fighting against its own internal corruption and inequality, the state of the world is not helping at all.

As inequality grows in any part of the globe that money will be used to corrupt the rest of the world. The EU is not immune to it.

So, we all need to fight against wealth accumulation, inequality and corruption.

Re: How Big Tech wrote secrecy into EU law to hide data centres' environmental toll

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Post by tjwebbnorfolk »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #19
blitzar wrote: post #18

I forget, am i meant to be shaking with rage that the EU have regulations OR that the regulations include disclosure carveouts?

You're supposed to go blind with rage after "the EU".

I mean if you're gonna regulate, then regulate. But what's the point of making everyone do extra paperwork if there's no actual environmental effect of doing the paperwork because the big guys have loopholes

Re: How Big Tech wrote secrecy into EU law to hide data centres' environmental toll

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Post by tjwebbnorfolk »

jampekka wrote: post #35
blitzar wrote: post #18

I forget, am i meant to be shaking with rage that the EU have regulations OR that the regulations include disclosure carveouts?

It's that EU has illusion of regulation that is nerfed with either loopholes or lack of enforcement.

Yea, regulation with no effect is just extra paperwork for no reason

Re: How Big Tech wrote secrecy into EU law to hide data centres' environmental toll

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Post by jeffbee »

shimman wrote: post #36
jeffbee wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you always had similar things to say about the paper industry?

Paper provides an actual utility that people want and serves a real human need. Hyper scale data centers only exist to make Garfield porn and help scammers.

This is what we call "an opinion".

Re: How Big Tech wrote secrecy into EU law to hide data centres' environmental toll

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Post by menno-sh »

an0malous wrote: post #38
jimnotgym wrote: post #6

I have complete confidence the EU will realise this may violate transparency laws, it will go to court in 7-8 years, publish a response in the next 5 finally getting this law fixed in about 2040. They always get these things right, in the end

Hey at least all your devices use USB-C and there’s alternative app stores no one really uses

Add being able to use your data plan throughout the EU without roaming costs and we're back at two for three.

Re: How Big Tech wrote secrecy into EU law to hide data centres' environmental toll

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Post by tjwebbnorfolk »

Frieren wrote: post #41
postepowanieadm wrote: post #25

EU has a really big problem with lobbing/corruption. Qatargate, russian connections, von der Leyen–Pfizer affair.

Oil countries (that includes the USA) buying political will in Europe is nothing new. The EU was already fighting against its own internal corruption and inequality, the state of the world is not helping at all. As inequality grows in any part of the globe that money will be used to corrupt the rest of the world. The EU is not immune to it. So, we all need to fight against wealth accumulation, inequality and corrupti…

It kind of sounds like you're blaming other countries for corruption in the EU?

Re: How Big Tech wrote secrecy into EU law to hide data centres' environmental toll

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Post by tjwebbnorfolk »

johndunne wrote: post #3

I find this facet of Capitalism the most concerning; fiduciary responsibility to the shareholder. It breaks the link between people and matters that concern society (like the environment, in the case of this article). In the drive to increase profit, individual legislators can be convinced to tweak a law or two for 'greater economic growth' somewhere. Over the decades, the effect is a shift in political power away fr…

what does this have to do with EU politicians breaking their own rules

Re: How Big Tech wrote secrecy into EU law to hide data centres' environmental toll

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Post by will4274 »

rceDia wrote: post #30

Data centers are uber resource hogs: land, water, power. They compete for the same resources as other industries but also against the local citizenry. Who benefits from mass consumption of the resources and at what cost. Age old debate.

One out of three. Datacenters use small land and water compared to just about any other industry. The power consumption is significant.

Re: How Big Tech wrote secrecy into EU law to hide data centres' environmental toll

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Post by galangalalgol »

tjwebbnorfolk wrote: post #46
Frieren wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oil countries (that includes the USA) buying political will in Europe is nothing new. The EU was already fighting against its own internal corruption and inequality, the state of the world is not helping at all. As inequality grows in any part of the globe that money will be used to corrupt the rest of the world. The EU is not immune to it. So, we all need to fight against wealth accumulation, inequality and corrupti…

It kind of sounds like you're blaming other countries for corruption in the EU?

I read it as the EU was having a hard enough time with corruption before external pressure got involved.
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