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Discourse Is Not Going Closed Source

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Re: Discourse Is Not Going Closed Source

#41

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We're talking about SaaS businesses anyway. Open Source doesn't really matter there - you never actually know what's running on their servers.

Unless this is AGPL.

Nope. You can never verify they run the same code from their repo. You cannot physically access their system after all.

Re: Discourse Is Not Going Closed Source

#42

"over a decade ago, the repository has been licensed under GPLv2. And that’s not changing" Well - people can continue the GPLv2 fork anyway. So ultimately what Cal.com would do here does not matter; that's the beauty of GPL in general. It is a strict licence. I think GPLv2 was the better decision for the Linux kernel than, say, BSD/MIT. > That code is exposed to constant scrutiny from attackers, defenders, researcher…

> I think GPLv2 was the better decision for the Linux kernel than, say, BSD/MIT.

I differ here. The reason why the corporations run Linux Foundation which pays Linus is cos of this license. Otherwise, they would take what they want and not interfere like they do with FreeBSD and OpenBSD. BSD/MIT leads to better compliance.

The only reason it stays this way is cos Linus owns the trademark. Wait until Linus steps down. Most likely a someone who aligns more with corporates will take charge and you'll see changes then.

If interested - https://www.unsungnovelty.org/posts/05/2023/open-source-proj...

Re: Discourse Is Not Going Closed Source

#43
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Misdirection is normal business practice. For example, Quadpay/Zipco recently made a change where instead of appraising your credit independently for each of their plans, they calculate a total amount you're allowed to have in flight at any given time, and share that across everything. In their FAQ, there is an entry for "Is my purchasing power going down?" and the answer is some bullshit like "Your purchasing power…

How far have we fallen to call misdirection a normal business practice. I agree that it is everywhere but it isn’t or at least shouldn’t be normal.

Yeah, there's a difference between normal conduct and normalized conduct. It sure is a sign of the times that people are confused by this.

Re: Discourse Is Not Going Closed Source

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too bad. i wish they would go closedsource so that maybe everyone would stop using it. it's dogshit for countless reasons. including: - refuses to even load on browser engines older than 2 years. for a webforum that's absolutely appaling. there's a barebones non-JS version. but it only loads for individual threads (not the forum homepage or anything else), so they must be linked to directly (e.g from a websearch engi…

These are various reasons why I also opted to not use it when it was finally time to retire vBulletin 3. We never did adopt vB 4 or 5, because while I'm sure the code was "better" from a software engineering perspective (using classes/OOP etc), it was also noticably slower, and the original developers had either been ousted or sold out.

The original vB developers built Xenforo, which is still in the spirit of vB 3 but with some modern amenities like live updates and the like.

I also found Discourse to be... challenging to self-host.

Re: Discourse Is Not Going Closed Source

#45

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Framing a business decision as a security imperative sure sounds like intent to mislead to me.

Misdirection is normal business practice. For example, Quadpay/Zipco recently made a change where instead of appraising your credit independently for each of their plans, they calculate a total amount you're allowed to have in flight at any given time, and share that across everything. In their FAQ, there is an entry for "Is my purchasing power going down?" and the answer is some bullshit like "Your purchasing power…

Related: I wish there was a TV show where they would ask simple yes/no questions to politicians and business leaders, but their mic would only be unmuted after they press a "yes" or "no" button.

Answering a yes/no question with a "we're doing everything we can to ensure a smooth experience for our customers" is spindoctoring 101.

Re: Discourse Is Not Going Closed Source

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Framing a business decision as a security imperative sure sounds like intent to mislead to me.

Misdirection is normal business practice. For example, Quadpay/Zipco recently made a change where instead of appraising your credit independently for each of their plans, they calculate a total amount you're allowed to have in flight at any given time, and share that across everything. In their FAQ, there is an entry for "Is my purchasing power going down?" and the answer is some bullshit like "Your purchasing power…

> Misdirection is normal business practice.

Being normal practice does not make something right.

Re: Discourse Is Not Going Closed Source

#48
post #40

too bad. i wish they would go closedsource so that maybe everyone would stop using it. it's dogshit for countless reasons. including: - refuses to even load on browser engines older than 2 years. for a webforum that's absolutely appaling. there's a barebones non-JS version. but it only loads for individual threads (not the forum homepage or anything else), so they must be linked to directly (e.g from a websearch engi…

These are various reasons why I also opted to not use it when it was finally time to retire vBulletin 3. We never did adopt vB 4 or 5, because while I'm sure the code was "better" from a software engineering perspective (using classes/OOP etc), it was also noticably slower, and the original developers had either been ousted or sold out. The original vB developers built Xenforo, which is still in the spirit of vB 3 bu…

> I also found Discourse to be... challenging to self-host.

Made a completely different experience. Every once in a while you have to run a command. Over the last 10-12 years there were I think 2 problems where this did not work out of the box.

Re: Discourse Is Not Going Closed Source

#49
post #41

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Unless this is AGPL.

Nope. You can never verify they run the same code from their repo. You cannot physically access their system after all.

Illegal actions are often hard to prove, and yet laws somehow work in general. Same here with obeying the license.

Re: Discourse Is Not Going Closed Source

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Misdirection is normal business practice. For example, Quadpay/Zipco recently made a change where instead of appraising your credit independently for each of their plans, they calculate a total amount you're allowed to have in flight at any given time, and share that across everything. In their FAQ, there is an entry for "Is my purchasing power going down?" and the answer is some bullshit like "Your purchasing power…

Related: I wish there was a TV show where they would ask simple yes/no questions to politicians and business leaders, but their mic would only be unmuted after they press a "yes" or "no" button. Answering a yes/no question with a "we're doing everything we can to ensure a smooth experience for our customers" is spindoctoring 101.

But that's not how people generally hold their opinions or even should (I'd argue). You can ask me "Yes or no, should we kill people?" and I can't really give you hard "yes" or "no", there is nuance and context to consider, and probably most beliefs I hold, have some sort of nuance.

Unless you're also asking politicians to all become 100% dogmatic, I don't think that's a realistic suggestion.

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