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Remind me, what part of Europe do you live in again?
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Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45
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#42We are told that we are in a state of preparing for war. When we will start restricting luxury items, unnecessary private jet travel, energy waste in crypto-currencies, etc.? Because it seems that for being so obsessed to be prepared for war the only ones affected are the working class. The rich are just wasting resources away like if there was no tomorrow. I just see austerity 2.0 to cut citizens rights, cut service…
Private jet travel? Cryptocurrencies? You’re just naming things that you don’t like. The reality is that these are not large contributors.
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#43I cannot understand how German men can be expected to fight while women are exempt. It's pure sexism against men and also very insulting to women. I'm opposed to conscription in general, but I live in Sweden with gender-neutral conscription laws, and I would do my best to defend my country if it became necessary. If I were a man in an alternate version of Sweden with male-only conscription, I would feel so disrespect…
At the risk of feeding this troll, I'll go for it here. Men and women are essentially different in real biological ways, as well as emotional and socialization. For millennia, women and children have been held innocent and protected. This is why Christian societies don't throw them on the frontlines as cannon fodder, but rather, the men go in front and the men fight, as expendables, while the woman and children can b…
> Men and women are essentially different in real biological ways, as well as emotional and socialization.
I fully agree, now, larger society doesn't and if all of my schooling is proof of it, feminism is the dominant discourse in Western Europe. So we can'be having women be fully equal in all spheres of society when it benefits women, but then remove them from every obligation those rights come with.
The full consequence of your ideas is that men and women are different people meaning it affects every sphere of life, and leads you to ask some unsavory questions, which doesn't mean curtailing women's rights necessarily but it does mean that the the way we model society and genders is opposite to reality, because when reality, like war, asks hard questions we default to the old order of men in the front and women in the factories.
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#44Here is an official response from the Bundeswehr (German): https://www.bundeswehr.de/de/organisation/zahlen-daten-fakte...
It's ridiculous that the German government now has to officially state "Please ignore the letter of the law, we didn't mean it that way."
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The usual suspect would first need to cross Poland, not to mention finishing what they started in Ukraine. I'll be scrolling HN from the trenches long before any army reaches Berlin.
Poland are in Nato, I'd expect europe wide deployment on an invasion. Itll definitely be volunteer forces at first, but I wouldn't hold my breath on conscripted forces never being deployed if it goes into a quagmire like ukraine.
If NATO still exists by then.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
The usual suspect would first need to cross Poland, not to mention finishing what they started in Ukraine. I'll be scrolling HN from the trenches long before any army reaches Berlin.
> The usual suspect would first need to cross Poland, not to mention finishing what they started in Ukraine. It doesn't look like they can break Ukraine anytime soon. And each month Ukraine bites back pushing the prospect of full-scale war with NATO (or what is left of it) even further.
Yes. Democratic collapse is the more real danger than direct Russian invasion of the EU countries.
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#47The law is still there though and thus its application can be resumed at any time without need of parliament approval.
Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45
#48We are told that we are in a state of preparing for war. When we will start restricting luxury items, unnecessary private jet travel, energy waste in crypto-currencies, etc.? Because it seems that for being so obsessed to be prepared for war the only ones affected are the working class. The rich are just wasting resources away like if there was no tomorrow. I just see austerity 2.0 to cut citizens rights, cut service…
Look at any other war in human history, when was this any different for the upper classes?
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#49This was pretty much a big media nothingburger. The rule isn't new, it existed for decades all the way back to the beginnings of the Cold War. Nobody cared back then (neither the people nor the army), nobody should care now (there are no sanctions). I guess some journalist was actually reading through the consciption law (as probably the only person on the planet), stumbled over that passage and turned it into an ele…
Rules that are not enforced are bad as they create space for arbitrariness and corruption. It was a mistake by gov't, opposition & media that this wasn't spotted at the time the law was revised. The most surprising thing is that the ministry didn't figure this out itself. You'd expect the people drafting laws to consider such things. Thus, it's an indicator of ministerial sloppiness. Not a nothingburger.
The way laws work there is that each law either enumerates the penalties itself or the law of penalties enumerates them. So for each law you only have to check two places to know what the penalties are.
In this case, there are none.
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#50How did Germany treat veterans of the previous major war by the way?
The previous major war was in Afghanistan with 150,000 German soldiers: https://www.dw.com/en/germany-honors-soldiers-who-fought-in-...