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Re: North American English Dialects

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My daughter (grew up in California) wondered what the "Kansas accent" was (I grew up in Kansas). I often called it a drawl.

She goes to college in Kansas now and is still confused. Perhaps growing up with me it just sounds "normal".

I'll point her to the band, "The Embarrassment" in various interviews:

[1] https://youtu.be/0gyChDSjrXc

[2] https://youtu.be/kJBDRdDjgWY

Re: North American English Dialects

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Is anyone archiving these accents ? As much as I’m happy that kids now have access to YouTube, and thus can use the neutral influencer dialect, something about our culture is being erased. I grew up speaking both a neutral California accent and bits of AAVE. AAVE itself is drastically different depending on the part of the US you’re in. I can barely understand southern AAVE. NYC AAVE is much faster, but I think NYC p…

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This doesn't look like John McWhorter to me. Does it look like McWhorter to you? It looks like Geoffrey Pullum. You know, that Geoffrey Pullum?

https://web.stanford.edu/~zwicky/aave-is-not-se-with-mistake...

Re: North American English Dialects

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> And hop on a zoom 30 minutes later to chat. This would be unimaginable 50 years ago. It was pretty easy to imagine 50 years ago. For example, Star Trek started airing 60 years ago. The Jetsons started airing a few years before that.

And it would be basically free and accessible to anyone? Two 50$ cell phones can Zoom using library WiFi across the globe

It was on the way there even before Star Trek: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_videotelephony#AT&T...

The next one down is a home system on a subscription, though just after Star Trek and expensive at the time.

Re: North American English Dialects

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The BBC actually has an official "Pronunciation Unit", which tells people like newsreaders the "proper" way to pronounce words and placenames. Unfortunately, particularly in the latter case they often get it wrong. For example, my late Dad was born in a small West Yorkshire town called Sowerby Bridge, which the unit insists should be said Sourbee Bridge. Everyone, without exception, who lives there knows it is Sorebe…

Local pronunciations of place names are often different from what's expected, and whether intended to be such or not, are often used as shibboleths to distinguish locals from outsiders. The examples of Couch Street (/ˈkutʃ/) in Portland, Oregon and Tchoupitoulas Street (/ˌtʃɑp.ə.ˈtuː.ləs/) in New Orleans, Louisiana come to mind in American place names.

Tchoup is just unpronounceable to most outsiders; the shibboleths are the streets that are pronounced very differently from what it would be anywhere else. Like Calliope (rhymes with TALLY-hope) or Burgundy (emphasis on second syllable).

Re: North American English Dialects

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Is anyone archiving these accents ? As much as I’m happy that kids now have access to YouTube, and thus can use the neutral influencer dialect, something about our culture is being erased. I grew up speaking both a neutral California accent and bits of AAVE. AAVE itself is drastically different depending on the part of the US you’re in. I can barely understand southern AAVE. NYC AAVE is much faster, but I think NYC p…

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> and is often far more similar to their white neighbors than to the black people in the next state over

Actually you might be right depending on how integrated the area is:

Exhibit A: Your Old Droog Exhibit B: Lord Sko

As an adult my normal speaking voice is closer to a relaxed California accent. It’s clear , but it always leaves room to weasel out of certain situations.

If I could I’d probably use a Mid Atlantic Madmen accent. That accent gets things done.

Re: North American English Dialects

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Is anyone archiving these accents ? As much as I’m happy that kids now have access to YouTube, and thus can use the neutral influencer dialect, something about our culture is being erased. I grew up speaking both a neutral California accent and bits of AAVE. AAVE itself is drastically different depending on the part of the US you’re in. I can barely understand southern AAVE. NYC AAVE is much faster, but I think NYC p…

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AAVE is the modern politically correct term for what was already called Ebonics for decades (by black people).

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> And hop on a zoom 30 minutes later to chat. This would be unimaginable 50 years ago. It was pretty easy to imagine 50 years ago. For example, Star Trek started airing 60 years ago. The Jetsons started airing a few years before that.

And it would be basically free and accessible to anyone? Two 50$ cell phones can Zoom using library WiFi across the globe

I think the conflict is on the term unimaginable. People back then definitely imagined the equivalent of Zoom and it being free even if they didn't know technically how it could happen.

Re: North American English Dialects

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Is anyone archiving these accents ? As much as I’m happy that kids now have access to YouTube, and thus can use the neutral influencer dialect, something about our culture is being erased. I grew up speaking both a neutral California accent and bits of AAVE. AAVE itself is drastically different depending on the part of the US you’re in. I can barely understand southern AAVE. NYC AAVE is much faster, but I think NYC p…

> And hop on a zoom 30 minutes later to chat. This would be unimaginable 50 years ago. It was pretty easy to imagine 50 years ago. For example, Star Trek started airing 60 years ago. The Jetsons started airing a few years before that.

Picturephones were developed in the 30s and demoed at the '64 world's fair.
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