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Re: Farmer arrested for speaking too long at datacenter town hall vows to fight

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Post by wrs »

iepathos wrote: post #24
wrs wrote: post #18

This is basically weak people in authority overreacting from fear and resentment. Same as when the principal expels a student for saying something rude at assembly, or when a bank sues someone for sending in a vulnerability report about their website.

Not quite the same. Here it wasn't just the overreaction from some weak authority figure. The arresting cop had to knowingly violate established laws. The officers who pursued the charge had to have done the same. That's systematic corruption and failure in the local law enforcement who imo all need to be investigated and fired asap. It's less some weak authority overreacting and more like a whole lot of incompetent…

This is the normal script, though. Authority figure overreaches, violates law either knowingly or (more likely) without even thinking about it. A.F. is sued, judge laughs out loud in court, A.F.'s action is reversed, A.F. becomes even more resentful due to public reversal. This is pretty much what just happened to Anthropic, though we're only partway through the script.

Re: Farmer arrested for speaking too long at datacenter town hall vows to fight

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Post by jibal »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #40
jibal wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're lying about what your own link says. The poster did not claim that Blanchard refused to leave the podium; the poster wrote "with * officials* claiming he refused to leave the podium after his three-minute speaking time ended". The poster is sympathetic to Blanchard, which no one would know just by reading your grossly dishonest comment.

This is quite the melodramatic post. I wasn't even trying to make any claims about the statement because I have no idea if the poster was even there. My mere point was that "there may be more to the story than what was posted on the 404 link". And now someone posted the full video so you can just watch that and not need to rely on "grossly dishonest" posts.

It was an honest post, unlike "I wasn't even trying to make any claims about the statement"--you DID make a claim about it--a false claim, as I pointed out.

"My mere point"

Again lying.

"not need to rely on "grossly dishonest" posts"

Talk about melodramatic ... I wasn't relying on your post.

The video shows that many people made unwarranted assumptions. That doesn't excuse you flat-out lying about what your link said.

I won't respond further on this dead post.

Re: Farmer arrested for speaking too long at datacenter town hall vows to fight

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Post by cranky908canuck »

RIMR wrote: post #10
wat10000 wrote: post #3

He was not arrested for speaking too long. He was arrested for trespassing after being asked to leave. This occurred after speaking too long, but the speaking too long is not the reason for the arrest.

Look, the article is right there, and what it says doesn't match what you're saying. Sure, they arrested him for "trespassing", but their definition of trespassing was going over his allotted time by a matter of seconds. They did not ask him to leave, and he refused. They counted down the seconds he had the floor, and ordered his arrest the moment he went over the allotted time. I don't know if you've ever been to a…

If you google "Darren Blanchard activist", the screen lights up, TV, newspapers, etc. So, not his first time on the dance floor.

I'm not going to address whether what happened was completely right, or the merits of the underlying discussion. But this is not a case of a poor dirt farmer shocked at being arrested. I'd be very surprised myself if he didn't at least think that was a possible outcome (and would not presume to suggest that it was intended in any way whatsoever, obviously being arrested would be detrimental to his cause!).

Re: Farmer arrested for speaking too long at datacenter town hall vows to fight

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Post by IncreasePosts »

jibal wrote: post #42
IncreasePosts wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is quite the melodramatic post. I wasn't even trying to make any claims about the statement because I have no idea if the poster was even there. My mere point was that "there may be more to the story than what was posted on the 404 link". And now someone posted the full video so you can just watch that and not need to rely on "grossly dishonest" posts.

It was an honest post, unlike "I wasn't even trying to make any claims about the statement"--you DID make a claim about it--a false claim, as I pointed out. "My mere point" Again lying. "not need to rely on "grossly dishonest" posts" Talk about melodramatic ... I wasn't relying on your post. The video shows that many people made unwarranted assumptions. That doesn't excuse you flat-out lying about what your link said…

I am so sorry for saying the poster claimed instead of saying the poster claimed that the officials claimed that something happened. I hope to one day regain your trust.

Re: Farmer arrested for speaking too long at datacenter town hall vows to fight

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Post by IncreasePosts »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #20
sheikhnbake wrote: post #5

> When he went a few seconds over his allotted 3 minute time limit, the city ordered Blanchard arrested and transported to the county jail. The city charged Blanchard with trespassing

Oklahoma, huh? Wish I could be surprised. Even then, hard to tell if this will hold up in court. Town halls should be recorded ("should") and there's inevitable up and downtime for speakers. This is why police have a radar tolerance of 5 mph before trying to write a speeding ticket.

It was recorded(linked elsewhere in this thread) and clearly shows that he wasn't merely arrested after going a few seconds over time.

Re: Farmer arrested for speaking too long at datacenter town hall vows to fight

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Post by [deleted] »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #32
ChrisArchitect wrote: post #22

I don't know what he was speaking on at the data center town hall but the followup was a "No Turbines Rally" showing people with "Stop Wind Now" signs. Let's maybe skip this round of 404media ragebait.

"Everyone complaining about things I like, but is located in their communities, is a crank, except when I'm complaining about stuff in my own community."

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Re: Farmer arrested for speaking too long at datacenter town hall vows to fight

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Post by foobarchu »

solid_fuel wrote: post #11
wat10000 wrote: post #3

He was not arrested for speaking too long. He was arrested for trespassing after being asked to leave. This occurred after speaking too long, but the speaking too long is not the reason for the arrest.

Sure man. Nothing says "hacker ethos" like arresting a citizen for going 3 seconds over their allotted free speech time. There are so many bootlickers here on HN these days. A sign of the times, I suppose. But of course, what else can we expect? This is the natural consequence of putting ethics and morality after money. Money always wins. And once you start seeing the world like that, through the lens of "success mak…

Where's the bootlicking? I'd the article chooses to lie about why he was arrested for no reason (and try to paint him as "a farmer" rather than a known activist), then people are going to focus on the untruths and wonder what else the article lies about.

There was no need for this article to lie. The actual events were already worth being upset about. It only serves to distract.

Re: Farmer arrested for speaking too long at datacenter town hall vows to fight

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Post by johnnyanmac »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #45
johnnyanmac wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oklahoma, huh? Wish I could be surprised. Even then, hard to tell if this will hold up in court. Town halls should be recorded ("should") and there's inevitable up and downtime for speakers. This is why police have a radar tolerance of 5 mph before trying to write a speeding ticket.

It was recorded(linked elsewhere in this thread) and clearly shows that he wasn't merely arrested after going a few seconds over time.

I see he stood up at 1:55:00 and by 1:58:28 the security is behind him.

I don't know if that's long enough for a trespassing charge to really stick. But then again, Oklohoma.

Re: Farmer arrested for speaking too long at datacenter town hall vows to fight

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Post by wat10000 »

sheikhnbake wrote: post #39
Volundr wrote: post #26

The article keeps saying he was arrested for going a few seconds over, which is weird because it also contains this statement: "Feary then notified police to have Blanchard removed. I informed Blanchard that he was asked to leave and needed to do so. Blanchard then continued to the front of the room where counselors sat behind a table and insisted on giving them paperwork,” according to the police report. “Sergeant S…

Even so that's very strange way for a trespassing charge to be carried out if that's how it went down. Typically when someone refuses to leave, police inform the person that they are being formally trespassed, at which point they have the option to leave voluntarily at which point they are only allowed back at the trespassee's discretion. Not sure how that would work for public places where people have to conduct mun…

According to police, that is what they did. Fellow was given the choice of leaving unrestrained or in handcuffs and he chose the latter option.

Re: Farmer arrested for speaking too long at datacenter town hall vows to fight

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Post by AngryData »

iepathos wrote: post #24
wrs wrote: post #18

This is basically weak people in authority overreacting from fear and resentment. Same as when the principal expels a student for saying something rude at assembly, or when a bank sues someone for sending in a vulnerability report about their website.

Not quite the same. Here it wasn't just the overreaction from some weak authority figure. The arresting cop had to knowingly violate established laws. The officers who pursued the charge had to have done the same. That's systematic corruption and failure in the local law enforcement who imo all need to be investigated and fired asap. It's less some weak authority overreacting and more like a whole lot of incompetent…

I mean that is 100% what I expect from US police. They won't be held liable or responcible for their actions in any way so they don't have to care.
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