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Tax Wrapped 2025

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Re: Tax Wrapped 2025

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It does. But my mouse's scroll wheel is not a swipey-thing.

But at least it moves things from "impossible" to "possible"! :)

I didn't consider that it meant to use the scroll wheel and likewise closed the page before discovering that.

Re: Tax Wrapped 2025

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So we spent more on interest for the deficit than we spent on the doubling the combined spending on all of the following: transportation government operations natural resources community development education & social services agriculture international affairs science & space and energy ...anxiety rises.

Not really. That is federal spending, right? So your local transport authority or most of the funding of a local schopl, for example, wouldn't be included here?

Re: Tax Wrapped 2025

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Editorially, it might be good to point out that government money moves in both directions. I spent $X on interest payments on the national debt, but I also received $Y of those interest payments if I have any Treasuries in my portfolio. Similarly, I might be receiving Social Security or Medicare benefits. Maybe expand this with a second section estimating what you're receiving from the government?

> Similarly, I might be receiving Social Security or Medicare benefits.

The demographic here is likely to be benefitting most from the mortgage interest deduction and 401k contribution "deduction" (it's deducted before pay is reported, but mathematically it's the same thing), FWIW. Younger folks are probably still paying well under market rate on their guaranteed student loans, and older FAANG scions are very much helped by the very low long term capital gains rate too.

Re: Tax Wrapped 2025

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The visualization shows that, at many income brackets, the majority of one's taxes go squarely into the social safety net. You can make an intelligible argument about waste, etc., but to say that Americans don't benefit from social security, medicaid, etc. seems facially incorrect.

Even if you ignore ALL other tax spending (which is a huge ask) the best possible outcome is $1 in = $1 out. That breaks even at best. The government isn't creating value it's just moving money around. Now add in other wasteful spending. Add in inefficiencies. Add in the deficit. Add in inflation and money printing. Add changing administrations with their own goals. Add wars and other foreign affairs. Add in spying o…

> Even if you ignore ALL other tax spending (which is a huge ask) the best possible outcome is $1 in = $1 out. That breaks even at best. The government isn't creating value it's just moving money around.

It is possible to spend money that gets more money back later. Think of investing in infrastructure that creates more economic activity. Imagine how much better the economy grew once we connected the transcontinental railroads and electrified towns. These were huge projects that no one could have funded on their own, but with coordination with all the money from everyone else. I can't think of any other way to coordinate that much money without getting taxes involved.

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Editorially, it might be good to point out that government money moves in both directions. I spent $X on interest payments on the national debt, but I also received $Y of those interest payments if I have any Treasuries in my portfolio. Similarly, I might be receiving Social Security or Medicare benefits. Maybe expand this with a second section estimating what you're receiving from the government?

You exist in a bubble if you think a meaningful population of the target audience of this app have any meaningful amount of treasuries in their portfolio, or any portfolio at all. I don’t think the website is lacking in describing things that we get from the government.

Uh... do you have cash in a money market account? What do you think the "money market" is, exactly?

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we need to kill off fire departments. my house has never burned down and i will never get my money's worth.

This is a strawman. Look up how utterly fucked social security is and tell me with a straight face it is a good system and you'll get value from it.

Social security is fucked because it invests only in treasuries. And it has an income cap.

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The federal government has become a machine to transfer the income of working people to boomers

How much goes to retirees vs low income people?

it goes to everyone (in varying amounts) who paid payroll tax when they turn 65. They get free health insurance too (Medicare).

poor people getting Medicaid are like 20% of the population of most states.

essentially we are promising everyone who turns 65 to get ~$800k in benefits, and this is simply not affordable.

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You exist in a bubble if you think a meaningful population of the target audience of this app have any meaningful amount of treasuries in their portfolio, or any portfolio at all. I don’t think the website is lacking in describing things that we get from the government.

Uh... do you have cash in a money market account? What do you think the "money market" is, exactly?

In the nicest way possible no absolutely not that would way underperform just about everything

Re: Tax Wrapped 2025

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Should Income Security for Vets count as income security? And Healthcare for Vets, healthcare?

It’d be interesting to see how different political factions might rack and stack these line items in different ways.

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