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Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by embedding-shape »

hypeatei wrote: post #21
embedding-shape wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love seeing this, and love seeing regulations working exactly as wanted! What I see is basically "We're unable to serve this website without compromising your privacy, so instead of pretending or giving you a choice, we give you this message so you can turn around".

What does GDPR get you that browser settings and an extension don't? I'm genuinely curious how random websites refusing to serve content / spamming cookie banners is a good thing? The data download and removal side of GDPR seems useful for more "entrenched" use cases where you have an account and a long history on a service but... fly-by website visits should not be this heavily regulated. Blocking cookies and script…

> I'm genuinely curious how random websites refusing to serve content / spamming cookie banners is a good thing?

They refuse to allow visitors to visit their website without taking, processing and selling their data and letting those visitors know that this is happening. That they outright block me instead of doing those anyways, clearly is a good thing and in my benefit.

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by WarmWash »

declan_roberts wrote: post #31

What's with the bipartisan push for these bills all of a sudden?

People connect to the internet and do bad things (or have bad things happen to them)

They need to pay a service provider to have the capability to do bad things (or be exposed to bad things)

Why can't we just ask/compel the service provider to identify these people (or block the bad things).

For any politician the line of thinking will be something like that. It comes off as incredibly long hanging fruit that would have broad positive impact for the whole of society. Like the apple in the garden of eden, just walk over, take a bite, and you'll be a political hero without having to do much work at all.

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by wongarsu »

plandis wrote: post #7
groby_b wrote: post #2

HTTP 451 "We recognise you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore cannot grant you access at this time. For any issues, e-mail us at info@franklinnews.org or call us at (847) 497-5230." This is extremely funny given it's an article about privacy concerns :)

A US based non-profit news organization isn’t going to spend money to pay lawyers to ensure they meet a regulatory burden that doesn’t affect their core demographic.

A burden that's proportional to how much user data you mine, process and/or share with third parties. Hence the irony

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by kelseyfrog »

lioeters wrote: post #35
declan_roberts wrote: post #31

What's with the bipartisan push for these bills all of a sudden?

It's an international coordinated effort to undermine every single citizen's privacy, an agenda being pushed for years, again and again in every country and state, by a coalition including Google, Facebook, Microsoft, etc., corporations that profit greatly from mandatory identity verification online. It's only a matter of time until they buy out enough politicians to push it through and force future generations to li…

I hate privacy, even down to the idea itself. I will buy out politicians, and push relentlessly until every trace of privacy is eliminated from the world. I love being watched. The idea of a panopticon makes me feel amazing and I want to force it on everyone until the end of time.

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

plandis wrote: post #7
groby_b wrote: post #2

HTTP 451 "We recognise you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore cannot grant you access at this time. For any issues, e-mail us at info@franklinnews.org or call us at (847) 497-5230." This is extremely funny given it's an article about privacy concerns :)

A US based non-profit news organization isn’t going to spend money to pay lawyers to ensure they meet a regulatory burden that doesn’t affect their core demographic.

> A US based non-profit news organization isn’t going to spend money to pay lawyers to ensure they meet a regulatory burden that doesn’t affect their core demographic.

I like being covered by gdpr. Though I really cannot see any country's gdpr peops taking anyone in the US to court. A very simple "Fuck you" (along the lines of The Pirate Bay) would end any legal conversations. It would be different if the news organisation had an office in the EU. Anyway, i have a vpn, so....

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by noir_lord »

al_borland wrote: post #37
noir_lord wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This annoys me with Apple devices, iCloud and all it's related backups of..well everything are on by default and it doesn't ask at any point in the setup of the device. You have to then go into settings -> icloud and disable the main one and then like 30 individual ones. There should be a big toggle at the top that says "Disable All Cloud Backups" they can feel free to throw in a warning.

The phone backup is one toggle. The 30 individual ones are for syncing data for apps. If you aren’t using iCloud for any of this, why use it at all? I believe you can still use an iPhone without an iCloud account, can’t you? Without any cloud sync, I’m not sure what the value is, just sign out. I’m sure you’d lose the ability to download apps, but most of those are also using iCloud to sync data. For what it’s worth,…

> If you aren’t using iCloud for any of this, why use it at all? I believe you can still use an iPhone without an iCloud account, can’t you?

Nope, You have to have an apple account tied to a physical phone number or you can't sign in on the device or use it at all and they opt you in to the 5GB free plan and yes, the 30 sliders is apps but that doesn't alter the fact that I want to be asked before they exfiltrate my data, technology should exist to serve the user and part of that (at least in my opinion) is respecting privacy.

Yes you can sign out and you can untoggle the boxes but that is rather my point, it's opt out not opt in.

I don't want default exfiltration of data from my devices to a faceless American corporation without that been my choice.

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

embedding-shape wrote: post #40
troad wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

European law imposes a great deal more obligations on a business than that. This claim is simplistic to the point of disingenuousness.

Since obviously there is no "European law" in the first place, I think it's pretty safe to assume you have no idea what you're talking about.

Interpol would like a word.

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by embedding-shape »

Ylpertnodi wrote: post #47
embedding-shape wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since obviously there is no "European law" in the first place, I think it's pretty safe to assume you have no idea what you're talking about.

Interpol would like a word.

> Interpol would like a word.

Also not a "European law" by any measure or understanding, that's a international organization that does police cooperation across the continent (and further), it isn't even a law enforcement agency... Not exactly sure how you could confuse that with laws, but here we are.

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by Aurornis »

declan_roberts wrote: post #31

What's with the bipartisan push for these bills all of a sudden?

It has reached the level of moral panic, so it’s the current topic everywhere.

Even on Hacker News, threads about children and social media or short form video will draw a lot of comments supporting harsh age restrictions, including an alarming number of extremist comments in favor banning under-18s from using the internet or phones.

It’s not until the discussion turns to implantation details that the sentiment swings firm negative. The average comment in favor of age restrictions hasn’t thought through what it would mean, they only assume that some mechanism will exist that only impacts children and/or sites they don’t care about.

As soon as the implantation details come out and everyone realizes that you can’t restrict children without first verifying everyone’s age or that “social media” includes Discord and other services they use, the outrage starts.

We’re now entering the phases where everyone realizes that these calls to action have consequences for everyone because there is no easy solution that automatically only impacts children.

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by trollbridge »

al_borland wrote: post #33
trollbridge wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft likes to do the "opt out for the next 30 days", including uploading all my spreadsheets to Copilot to be training data.

That would be enough to get me to spend those 30 days migrating all my spreadsheets to a new format.

Google Sheets is slower/has enough usability issues it's not an option and OpenOffice is missing a few features too, not to mention neither really can do VBA at all, nor do they have PowerQuery. So Excel it is.
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