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Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by kumarvvr »

bawolff wrote: post #33
kumarvvr wrote: post #23

What leverage does US actually have here? Even Israel for that matter? The only options left for US are large scale bombing, like in Vietnam or Cambodia OR putting soldiers on the ground. Going on for years. Or drop a nuke. Bombing will be of limited use and extremely costly, because is Iran is too large. Its a geographical fortress, mostly large mountain ranges, or deserts. Soldiers on the ground means a large scale…

> What leverage does US actually have here? Even Israel for that matter? Arguably, in a continous war setting Iran eventually runs out of money to pay its soldiers or build new misiles. Especially if their oil facilities are bombed. I dont think iran can physically keep this up long term. The counter balance to that is usa cannot keep this up politically even in the short term.

The money thing is true. But China and Russia will extend support.

Iran is collecting about 2 million USD from each vessel through the strait. And they are about 50 passing through them each day. That's 100 million USD per day. Or about 30 odd Bullion USD per year.

Plenty of money to spend on war and some more. Not to mention the money it earns from selling it's oil and blocking GCC oil.

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by WarmWash »

hgoel wrote: post #34
WarmWash wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

May I remind you the Iranian regime was locking down the internet and shooting protesters in the street in the weeks leading up to the attack.

How does that justify threatening genocide and the end of their civilization? Having previously lived in Iran for 4 years, I know that the Iranian regime is very oppressive and cruel, but all the US has done is fuel them. They thought that bombing Iran and killing Khamenei would lead to civil war and a collapse of the regime. It did none of that and invited retaliation. In return, the US just made all of the regime's…

Trump is not particularly intelligent.

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by kumarvvr »

WarmWash wrote: post #39
kumarvvr wrote: post #23

What leverage does US actually have here? Even Israel for that matter? The only options left for US are large scale bombing, like in Vietnam or Cambodia OR putting soldiers on the ground. Going on for years. Or drop a nuke. Bombing will be of limited use and extremely costly, because is Iran is too large. Its a geographical fortress, mostly large mountain ranges, or deserts. Soldiers on the ground means a large scale…

The US was banking on a revolution, which hasn't yet materialized. A near term power vacuum and civil war might not be unlikely right now. This war started (on purpose) when Iran was the furthest thing from "united".

Presently we are seeing a rally around the flag in vogue in Iran.

They are a civilization going back centuries. No matter their internal fights, they will come together against a common enemy, an enemy for 45 years that is.

I am guessing the IRGC will also be careful enough to not rile up the populace until this war is over.

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by dh2022 »

raincole wrote: post #32
dh2022 wrote: post #11

JD Vance will find himself under the proverbial bus in 3, 2, …

Why? You think Iran will assassinate him? Trump obviously didn't have high expectation about the agreement in the first place. The US has been sending more troops and ships to ME nonstop . They didn't go to Pakistan in good faith (neither did Iran, I guess.)

Because by not getting a deal he made Trump look bad - and Trump would thus fire him(in the US to throw someone under the bus means to assign blame and punish someone else)

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by submeta »

Negotiation was just a pretext for preparing ground troops. Netanjahu is calling the shots here. Not Trump who sent (his son in law) Kushner and Wittkoff to „negotiate“, Kushner, whose parents have hosted Netanyahu whenever he visited the US. And he doesn’t want the war to end. He wants to destroy Iran‘s industrial infrastructure. And while this war is not over, he and Israeli figures are hinting at their next target: Türkiye.

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by techterrier »

beloch wrote: post #22

“The bad news is that we have not reached an agreement, and I think that’s bad news for Iran much more than it’s bad news for the United States of America,” Vance said. “So we go back to the United States having not come to an agreement. We’ve made very clear what our red lines are.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/12/jd-vance-says-... -------------- It was clear the U.S. was not serious about these negoti…

Who would they have sent if they were serious?

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by swarnie »

Why would you even agree to talks if your starting negotiation position is going to be so unreasonable, its pointless.

Attempting to deny a country security in the form of controlling their own water ways, controlling their own energy independence or holding a deterrent to prevent genocidal neighbours from attacking is simply wrong.

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by raincole »

dh2022 wrote: post #44
raincole wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? You think Iran will assassinate him? Trump obviously didn't have high expectation about the agreement in the first place. The US has been sending more troops and ships to ME nonstop . They didn't go to Pakistan in good faith (neither did Iran, I guess.)

Because by not getting a deal he made Trump look bad - and Trump would thus fire him(in the US to throw someone under the bus means to assign blame and punish someone else)

But Vance is the vice president and Trump can't fire him? He is not Secretary of State.

And I really don't think Trump looks worse than before. If they reached an agreement that allows Iran to take tolls for all the tankers passing, that would look really bad.

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by WarmWash »

postsantum wrote: post #36
WarmWash wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

May I remind you the Iranian regime was locking down the internet and shooting protesters in the street in the weeks leading up to the attack.

Didn't americans/israelis admit recently they had mossad agents to incite the violence and supplied guns? Hamfisted propaganda is not working as well as before

They still certainly are doing that. But the movement against the regime is organic going back years now. Iron fisted ultra conservative theocrats suck

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by nostrademons »

ndiddy wrote: post #7

Ali Gholhaki, an Iranian journalist who often publishes first-hand news about impending developments with the IRGC, has reported that the US's demands were the removal of Iran's stockpile of enriched uranium, no nuclear enrichment whatsoever, and US management of the Strait of Hormuz. In exchange they were not offering any commitment regarding Lebanon. https://x.com/aghplt/status/2043092254416605522 Given that the US…

Iran's state media reported that the F-15 rescue mission was a cover to steal enriched uranium, something which fits the facts a lot more than them constructing an airstrip in enemy territory and blowing up at least two MC-130s just to rescue a pilot:

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/new-updates/did-us...

Also suspicious that Iran came to the negotiating table just a couple days after the F-15 mission after insisting for the other 5 weeks that there would be no negotiating and they were not even in contact with Washington.

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