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Re: HBO Obtains DMCA Subpoena to Unmask 'Euphoria' Spoiler Account on X

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Post by ronsor »

landl0rd wrote: post #13
ronsor wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And all of this falls apart if you use Mullvad, who will be happy to fax HBO lawyers a blank sheet of paper.

At which point twitter will probably yell at you to "verify" with a phone number or something else tied to your government name. Yes you could probably go get a prepaid SIM for cash (depending on your country, many now ban this though America doesn't) but very few people bother with it. Or they just lock your account and demand your ID which I think they now sometimes do.

You can pay $5 for a verification phone number. It's not hard.

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Post by Neywiny »

tombert wrote: post #14

Reminds me of the Snape Kills Dumbledore spoiler initiative that happened in 2005, where people would drive around bookstores with people yelling in line and spoiling it. Admittedly, kind of a dick move, but I have to admit I did find it kind of funny at the time. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/snape-kills-dumbledore

I think a truly good piece of media is one where even if you have things spoiled you can still get a reaction. All things considered the main character pretty much always wins/lives and the main villain pretty much always loses/dies. And one I've noticed a lot is that the first even possible romantic interest is most likely who they'll end up with if they end up with anyone. It's not foolproof but I'd put a bit of money on it. It's the in between that matters.

To go a step further, sure he killed Dumbledore but without knowing why, and without knowing the real why that's revealed later, only a small part of the fun is lost. That's what makes it re-watchable to me. I'll remember the twists and the endings, but the emotions and the minutae are what keep me watching.

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#43

Post by buzer »

tombert wrote: post #14

Reminds me of the Snape Kills Dumbledore spoiler initiative that happened in 2005, where people would drive around bookstores with people yelling in line and spoiling it. Admittedly, kind of a dick move, but I have to admit I did find it kind of funny at the time. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/snape-kills-dumbledore

The funnier version was people doing it during the next book's release.

Re: HBO Obtains DMCA Subpoena to Unmask 'Euphoria' Spoiler Account on X

#44

Post by tetrisgm »

observationist wrote: post #16
fhdkweig wrote: post #2

I have never used X/Twitter so I don't know how it works, but don't you have to seek out an account in order to read it? X won't just throw a spoiler at you unsolicited, right?

https://github.com/twitter/the-algorithm If it catches engagement, the main firehose feed will show it. They've begun using Grok and AI processes, which is hit and miss, but definitely improving. Having Japanese, French, other countries' tweets automatically translated back and forth has been fun, too. It'll be interesting to see where it gets to in the next few years.

The other day, I looked at the trending topics. Top one was "Lesbians". I was wondering if there was some kind of development in politics. Nope.

It was all porn. I was on a call with a friend and he checked from his account too and it was there as well, so this wasn't some kinda A/B test thing. It disappeared after a bit. My point is the algo is a bit wonky.

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Post by lobf »

tombert wrote: post #24
rectang wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A mild reminder that humans tend towards inflicting pain on their fellow humans when there are no consequences.

I feel like "pain" is a strong word here. It was a book spoiler. I wasn't laughing at people being punched or hurt or anything. I acknowledge it's a dick move, but it really is just a spoiler for a book, not exactly life ruining and really shouldn't even be day-ruining. I had the book spoiled for me too and it was just something I moved on from, somehow.

Maybe you forget the absolute hysteria around these books. People were passionate about learning what happened next, and incredibly excited for the reveal to happen organically.

This was done because it was the easiest way to massively distribute pain to people about a known weak spot. It was mean spirited, anti-social, and honestly indefensible.

If it isn't what's the defense?

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Post by rectang »

tombert wrote: post #24
rectang wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A mild reminder that humans tend towards inflicting pain on their fellow humans when there are no consequences.

I feel like "pain" is a strong word here. It was a book spoiler. I wasn't laughing at people being punched or hurt or anything. I acknowledge it's a dick move, but it really is just a spoiler for a book, not exactly life ruining and really shouldn't even be day-ruining. I had the book spoiled for me too and it was just something I moved on from, somehow.

To be clear, I'm not sitting in judgment of you or any of the other spoiler trolls, not back then and certainly not now. This is an instance where the Potter-philes couldn't fight back, and to my mind that's inevitably going to bring out the worst in human nature.

Elsethread, you mention that "some people really got upset.". In some sense, the more upset they get, the more successful the troll and the funnier it gets, right? At least, it feels funny to me, at the same time as it also feels bad to imagine upset kids, at the same time as feeling that upset kids learning that other humans are cruel is a necessary part of growing up.

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#47

Post by add-sub-mul-div »

tombert wrote: post #24
rectang wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A mild reminder that humans tend towards inflicting pain on their fellow humans when there are no consequences.

I feel like "pain" is a strong word here. It was a book spoiler. I wasn't laughing at people being punched or hurt or anything. I acknowledge it's a dick move, but it really is just a spoiler for a book, not exactly life ruining and really shouldn't even be day-ruining. I had the book spoiled for me too and it was just something I moved on from, somehow.

You're not equipped to know what the right word is for anyone but yourself. You go through life curious about the vast diversity of mindsets rather than assuming they're homogenous.

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Post by drawfloat »

shermantanktop wrote: post #15
tombert wrote: post #14

Reminds me of the Snape Kills Dumbledore spoiler initiative that happened in 2005, where people would drive around bookstores with people yelling in line and spoiling it. Admittedly, kind of a dick move, but I have to admit I did find it kind of funny at the time. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/snape-kills-dumbledore

Can you describe what you found funny at the time? I'm genuinely curious what motivates behavior like this.

It’s about 20 years old, so the likely answer: they were under 18

Re: HBO Obtains DMCA Subpoena to Unmask 'Euphoria' Spoiler Account on X

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Post by madars »

ronsor wrote: post #41
landl0rd wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At which point twitter will probably yell at you to "verify" with a phone number or something else tied to your government name. Yes you could probably go get a prepaid SIM for cash (depending on your country, many now ban this though America doesn't) but very few people bother with it. Or they just lock your account and demand your ID which I think they now sometimes do.

You can pay $5 for a verification phone number. It's not hard.

There are so many more ways one could screw up, and you only need to screw up once. For example, does X do browser fingerprinting and did you ever use similar setup to use a more identifiable Twitter account? Are you using unique phrasings or behavioral patterns? These things can be solved to a satisfactory degree, but I don't think "it's not hard" captures it - for an average user it _is_ hard.

Re: HBO Obtains DMCA Subpoena to Unmask 'Euphoria' Spoiler Account on X

#50

Post by numpad0 »

tetrisgm wrote: post #44
observationist wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://github.com/twitter/the-algorithm If it catches engagement, the main firehose feed will show it. They've begun using Grok and AI processes, which is hit and miss, but definitely improving. Having Japanese, French, other countries' tweets automatically translated back and forth has been fun, too. It'll be interesting to see where it gets to in the next few years.

The other day, I looked at the trending topics. Top one was "Lesbians". I was wondering if there was some kind of development in politics. Nope. It was all porn. I was on a call with a friend and he checked from his account too and it was there as well, so this wasn't some kinda A/B test thing. It disappeared after a bit. My point is the algo is a bit wonky.

Twitter had always been the modern day Playboy mag from Sci-Fi era. So there's Bradbury, Lenna, geopolitics, all bound in one.

The catch is it's a UGC based algorithmic system with instant feedback, which means the fastest adapting contents with most bandwidth absolutely wins, which tends to be, like that.

Does anyone have the solution to this problem anyway? I thought this was always inevitable on WWW.

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