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Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by williamdclt »

intrepidpar wrote: post #3

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Congrats on not reading the article I guess? It explicitly points out "the lopsidedness was driven by huge growth in health care, where women hold nearly 80% of jobs". Healthcare has always been women-heavy, this article [1] corroborates the 80% figure of the article. Nothing to do with positive action.

I suspected that within healthcare, women tend to occupy the lower-qualification roles more than the higher-qualification. This article [2] seems to confirm that: women are large majority in roles like nursing, hygienist, technologist but only occupy 44% of physician roles.

So... yeah sounds like despite women getting most new jobs, they're not exactly privileged, just lucky to be in a growing industry.

[1] https://nchstats.com/us-health-industry-jobs/#:~:text=manufa...

[2] https://www.hiringlab.org/2025/08/26/august-labor-market-upd...

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by lesuorac »

endominus wrote: post #14

It's frustrating that the only suggestion the experts interviewed have here is essentially blue-washing woman-dominated jobs. "For instance, many health care jobs could be framed as roles requiring the strength to lift people. Preschools could highlight the need for teachers who serve as positive male role models." Just reads as that one SMBC comic - "how can we make math pink ?" As if the only way they can understan…

Isn't it only a question of marketing?

There's only so many lumberjacks needed in an economy. Sure you can depress the wages for awhile but there's still a limit.

So you need Men do to something else and the way you do that is with marketing (and also with Men being unemployed until they accept a nursing job).

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Post by lp4v4n »

jt2190 wrote: post #4

> The lopsidedness was driven by huge growth in health care, where women hold nearly 80% of jobs. Over the past 12 months, health care alone added 390,000 jobs, more than in the economy overall, making up for job losses elsewhere. i.e. Nursing jobs mostly go to women not because men can’t do them because “nurses aren’t men”, per our current cultural norms.

When a company hires for an entry level public facing position, they always mean a young individual with a welcoming smile instead of a bald middle aged man who has been unemployed for two years. That's something that everybody knows and even the most progressive HR department, overtly or tacitly, will try to enforce. Society is full of small hidden prejudices that people don't really see as harmful.

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Post by Larrikin »

bill_joy_fanboy wrote: post #18
malfist wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost like diversity, equality and inclusion is a net positive thing for everyone

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They do not exist

What happened was unqualified people stopped getting jobs and found groups of people to blame it on.

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Post by csomar »

> That parity masks the significant gains women have recently made in the labor market. Of the 369,000 jobs the Labor Department says were created since the start of Trump's second term, nearly all — 348,000 of them — went to women, with only 21,000 going to men. That's nearly 17 times as many jobs filled by women as by men.

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> Over the past 12 months, health care alone added 390,000 jobs, more than in the economy overall, making up for job losses elsewhere.

The article and journalism research should have been about the absurdity of this number. If there has been a 10% increase in the total number of nurses in a single year in the USA, either there is an on-going health crisis to be covered; or you know, the numbers are just garbage.

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Post by soared »

rirze wrote: post #26

Here's another explanation. My hypothesis goes deeper than gender imbalance. Most job interviews are theater nowadays. It's about conformity, performative culture fitting, agreeableness (read, willing to slave away without complaining). On average, women tend to better suited for such processes. Along with immigrant groups.

Please further explain this unabashed racism and sexism.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by lkey »

kleiba2 wrote: post #21

There are a number of reasons at play here why the premise of this article does not make much sense (without further context). Here are just five points: 1. For years, men have have had a much higher employment rate than women, e.g. 85 million men vs. 66 million women in the US in 2024 [1]. In other words, women are just catching up. 2. Women have a much higher rate of part-time jobs [1]. That is, a certain job would…

> Employers are incentivized to hire women over men in case of equal qualification.

You can't say this, unsupported by evidence, in Trump's America, where revanchist 'white guy DEI' is the ordering of the world.

> Women earn better salaries than ever before

... This is a clever way of avoiding saying that the gendered pay gap still exists, in favor of men, but has been narrowing.

What makes jobs that pay enough 'more attractive', generally, is rising fixed costs, like rent and energy, and stagnant wages.

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Post by throwaway173738 »

hackyhacky wrote: post #23
PessimalDecimal wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's been a lot of talk about "toxic masculinity" over the years but I've heard of and would worry about the female equivalent if I were considering a role in nursing as a man. Many stories where the only man in the room is expected to be, simultaneously, a punching bag, a mediator for drama, and a willing recipient of sexual advances. Seems awful

> Many stories where the only man in the room is expected to be, simultaneously, a punching bag, a mediator for drama, and a willing recipient of sexual advances. In other words, men in nursing are treated to the same indignities that women experience in most jobs?

Are you saying this should be acceptable behavior? Am eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

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Post by thepryz »

hackyhacky wrote: post #23
PessimalDecimal wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's been a lot of talk about "toxic masculinity" over the years but I've heard of and would worry about the female equivalent if I were considering a role in nursing as a man. Many stories where the only man in the room is expected to be, simultaneously, a punching bag, a mediator for drama, and a willing recipient of sexual advances. Seems awful

> Many stories where the only man in the room is expected to be, simultaneously, a punching bag, a mediator for drama, and a willing recipient of sexual advances. In other words, men in nursing are treated to the same indignities that women experience in most jobs?

Or it might simply be that there is a lot of unreported or unacknowledged mistreatment of men. I recall reading a study about harassment in the restaurant industry. Both genders were harassed but harassment towards men was largely ignored in the analysis because it didn't fit the focus or narrative of the authors.

As a man who has worked in a predominantly female workplace, my experience has taught me that harassment is less about gender and more about power. Those in power will always feel entitled to behave poorly, regardless of gender.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

boringg wrote: post #16
intrepidpar wrote: post #3

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Academic achievement isn't rewarded socially for boys except a select core group. Therefore you don't get as much effort on boys who aren't in that core. Knock on effects could continue through the education system to the working world. Also there is certainly a world right now that says, oh your a man? Life is pretty grand to be a man - especially if you are a certain social economic class. There is some truth to th…

In the US, there is (and has been) a pretty solid route from academic achievement to high incomes, and from there, higher incomes leads to larger selection of potential mates.

I don’t see how boys are not rewarded socially for academic achievement. If anything, men have lower physical attractiveness standards, so men are more rewarded than women for the same amount of academic achievement.

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