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New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by cedws »

Fuck the bureaucrats responsible for this. I’m so sick of being completely powerless to fight any of this, being forced to sit and watch. Writing to my MP changes nothing. Signing petitions does nothing. The Government doesn’t give a fuck. They’ve had so many golden opportunities to differentiate themselves from the Tories and all they’ve done is carry the torch.

I will vote for any party that promises to rewind this crap, I don’t care what other policies they have. Enough of the nannying.

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Post by budududuroiu »

fxtentacle wrote: post #16

While I agree with the general argument that iOS shouldn’t limit the user’s freedom, it looks to me like Apple actually put in some effort to make this as privacy-preserving as possible. The article somewhat glosses over it, but you can buy a PASS age verification card at the local post office for 15£. That one is widely accepted and it doesn’t contain unnecessary information that might cause trouble if it leaked (li…

Thanks for your comment. It's good to hear from people that want this, as to understand which voters politicians are relying on for support for passing this at a legal level.

However, I fundamentally and ideologically disagree with your views on the matter, and I think your views are incompatible with a free society with checks and balances, and frankly, draconian.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by _3u10 »

consoleable wrote: post #22

Why have Western countries introduced so many laws that look like China’s? The government controls more and more individuals

The only western country left is Paraguay, maybe Israel too.

“The west” is now the global north, it’s mostly 3rd world countries dying of old age and going bankrupt in the process.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by Doohickey-d »

guidedlight wrote: post #36

I would rather prove my age to Apple than [insert random website]. I think that’s what Apple is banking on. They sell privacy as a feature of their products, and I’m grateful for that.

And I would rather have the _choice_ whether to prove my age to Apple or not. I think if it were optional, with the additional option of "share my age with websites & apps", nobody would have an issue with it.

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Post by Fizzadar »

fxtentacle wrote: post #16

While I agree with the general argument that iOS shouldn’t limit the user’s freedom, it looks to me like Apple actually put in some effort to make this as privacy-preserving as possible. The article somewhat glosses over it, but you can buy a PASS age verification card at the local post office for 15£. That one is widely accepted and it doesn’t contain unnecessary information that might cause trouble if it leaked (li…

Also parent in the UK - strong disagree, it’s part of our parental responsibilities to set this up, not doing it is the same as not watching a newly walking baby on the stairs (/etc). Compromising everyone’s privacy for a subset of lazy parents is a failing of society.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

Aurornis wrote: post #15

This article is not great. It doesn't link to anything other than itself and two of those links are "donate" and "subscribe". I found this Apple Insider page with more information and an actual description of how it works, from someone doing journalism instead of soliciting donations and subscriptions: https://appleinsider.com/articles/26/02/25/how-age-verificat... It's going to take some more searching to find an ar…

>According to that article if you have a long-standing Apple account ...

I can confirm that is the case.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by thisislife2 »

consoleable wrote: post #22

Why have Western countries introduced so many laws that look like China’s? The government controls more and more individuals

The west believes "Data is the new oil". The west can't compete with China or India in the amount of data their citizens can generate because they are the world's most populous country. China already has a huge head start because it has already been collecting and data-mining its citizen's data. Attempts to make stronger privacy laws and sovereign data laws in many western countries will also impede data collections. But state sharing of data - through 5 Eyes, 9 Eyes and 14 Eyes - along with BigTech data could give the west an edge. (The west already has partial access to indian data because it leaks through lax data privacy laws, ill-thought indian government policies and BigTech. But Chinese data is truly firewalled.)

So yes, you are right that we will see our democracies embrace more and more control over us citizens, limiting our rights, while our governments emulate China. This is unfortunately because the west believes that being a leader in technology is essential to retain its powers.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by Fizzadar »

One silver lining this is finally going to push me to switch to a dedicated camera and some niche unrestricted Linux or graphene device as a phone. Goodbye iPhone. (I say this as someone with an Apple account old enough to auto “qualify”, how lucky).
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