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Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by thefounder »

oofbey wrote: post #5

I like the idea. But I’m pretty happy with Signal. Signal does require a phone number I think, but otherwise seems very similar. Grounding identity in a phone number is very reasonable for almost all normal usage. It makes recovery simple. It does block the ultra paranoid use cases though. Oh well.

>> Grounding identity in a phone number is very reasonable for almost all normal usage.

Yeah if you compare that with Facebook messenger and other such services but if you want secure communication it's not reasonable.

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by TeMPOraL »

xmattx wrote: post #16
ExpertAdvisor01 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are based in Switzerland . 140k USD median dev salary

For a Senior perhaps. The figures I find for Switzerland are more in the 90-120 range depending on the source. Also, I think what OP was referring to is the 'most markets' bit. Switzerland is the best paying country in Europe (discounting London).

> Switzerland is the best paying country in Europe (discounting London).

How does that look when you correct for costs of living, because I imagine that would put London at the bottom of the list, as one of those places where senior-level tech salary is not enough to afford living in the city itself (and I don't mean the City of London, but the rest of it too).

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by [deleted] »

cropcirclbureau wrote: post #27

Surprised to hear this since my understanding was that Session was run on a crypto coin based, user hosted onion routing servers. Do they mean the dev company behind Session is shutting down? An anecdote I have: a friend once had narcotics shipped intl. through Session a few years ago.

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Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by cl3misch »

Archelaos wrote: post #11

> In most markets Senior developers often command salaries exceeding $150,000 USD per year Why not outsource this to a cheaper country? For example, here in Germany salaries are about half of that, and the talent pool is excellent.

Afaik Germany is one of the most expensive countries for employing white collar jobs?

The gross income to the employee might be 75k in Germany, but the cost to the employer is roughly twice that amount in turn.

In my (very naive) mental model, US salaries are higher, have less "overhead" for the employer, but leave more responsibility (healthcare, retirement) to the employee.

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by esskay »

kilroy123 wrote: post #9
mhitza wrote: post #2

Never heard of them, and this page doesn't tell me what they do, but I've laughed at this line > In most markets Senior developers often command salaries exceeding $150,000 USD per year Not really, there's basically a single sub-market in the US market where that is the norm.

That salary is not unheard of at all in London. Especially when you convert £ to $.

Sure but Londons known for being high wages. Now change that location to Cornwall or the North of England and watch it get almost cut in half.

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by johnisgood »

833 wrote: post #30

Not sure why it's always a binary: either give us $1M or we shut down. Vast majority of products and services can continue on or near zero, with slow or zero velocity. Really, you can't fire half the team if you have to and keep operating? 1.75M MAU requires very small infrastructure.

Yeah, there is no way they need $1M for the servers, come on...

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by alance »

0xy wrote: post #29
oofbey wrote: post #5

I like the idea. But I’m pretty happy with Signal. Signal does require a phone number I think, but otherwise seems very similar. Grounding identity in a phone number is very reasonable for almost all normal usage. It makes recovery simple. It does block the ultra paranoid use cases though. Oh well.

Signal's code quality is not conducive to security. They had an extremely bad state management bug that resulted in photos being sent to random contacts in your list (potentially life ruining implications if you're sending private photos). For this reason, it's hard to trust them. The encryption quality is irrelevant if the slop coded client is blasting random photos to random contacts.

Source?

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by rvz »

ramon156 wrote: post #36
Archelaos wrote: post #11

> In most markets Senior developers often command salaries exceeding $150,000 USD per year Why not outsource this to a cheaper country? For example, here in Germany salaries are about half of that, and the talent pool is excellent.

Id do it for 1/3rd!

Claude (or any other chatbot) can do it for 1/100th of the cost and faster than anyone.

So $150k+ is overpriced.

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by tadhglewis »

mhitza wrote: post #2

Never heard of them, and this page doesn't tell me what they do, but I've laughed at this line > In most markets Senior developers often command salaries exceeding $150,000 USD per year Not really, there's basically a single sub-market in the US market where that is the norm.

Interestingly I applied for one of their senior frontend positions that required a "high level of experience" in Australia, they said 120k AUD with no room to go higher. Went with an offer of 170k instead.
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