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Re: Lichess and Take Take Take Sign Cooperation Agreement

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Post by kelipso »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #38
cjpearson wrote: post #8

The linked post on Take Take Take is interesting. Magnus Carlsen created a chess.com competitor and eventually sold it to chess.com and became a sponsor. While working as a sponsor he then created a new chess.com competitor. I'm a Lichess patron and happy to see them get support, but I do feel a bit bad for chess.com in this case. Magnus is such a big figure in chess that organizations like FIDE and chess.com feel th…

> FIDE and chess.com feel they have no choice but to accommodate his whims FIDE and chess.com did behave pretty shitty sometimes and I think its good Magnus is in a position to counter them a bit.

I don’t. Everyone ends up affected by the whims of a celebrity in this case.

Re: Lichess and Take Take Take Sign Cooperation Agreement

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Post by kelipso »

SecretDreams wrote: post #13
cjpearson wrote: post #8

The linked post on Take Take Take is interesting. Magnus Carlsen created a chess.com competitor and eventually sold it to chess.com and became a sponsor. While working as a sponsor he then created a new chess.com competitor. I'm a Lichess patron and happy to see them get support, but I do feel a bit bad for chess.com in this case. Magnus is such a big figure in chess that organizations like FIDE and chess.com feel th…

All large systems are inherently weak when one individual has an outsized influence on their outcomes. The solution is not to hope Magnus is altruistic, but to not allow Magnus (or any individual) to drive meaningful outcomes directly or through their combined influence/followings.

Thank you being a rare sensible voice on this topic. The fanboyism of chess fans is insane these days. I get that the average age of chess fans these days is very low, probably 14 or so, but it’s still pretty annoying.

Re: Lichess and Take Take Take Sign Cooperation Agreement

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Post by tumdum_ »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #35
TheRoque wrote: post #12

Huge respect to Lichess. Open source, no ads, super clean interface and super functional website. Chess.com is a pain to use compared to it. All their finances are also public: https://lichess.org/costs

Their lead developer is paid $72k/yr, and mobile developer $49k/yr. I'm not sure what to think, but that's definitely interesting. I wonder what chess.com is paying their engineers.

Can you explain what is interesting in those salaries?

Re: Lichess and Take Take Take Sign Cooperation Agreement

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Post by static_motion »

sebmellen wrote: post #37
sillysaurusx wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their lead developer is paid $72k/yr, and mobile developer $49k/yr. I'm not sure what to think, but that's definitely interesting. I wonder what chess.com is paying their engineers.

Could be part time

Or full time. In some countries, those are pretty decent salaries. I earn €50k in one of the poorer European countries and that puts me in the top ~8%.

Re: Lichess and Take Take Take Sign Cooperation Agreement

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Post by morcus »

tumdum_ wrote: post #43
sillysaurusx wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their lead developer is paid $72k/yr, and mobile developer $49k/yr. I'm not sure what to think, but that's definitely interesting. I wonder what chess.com is paying their engineers.

Can you explain what is interesting in those salaries?

They are extremely low (at least by the standard of Software Engineers based in the US)

Re: Lichess and Take Take Take Sign Cooperation Agreement

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Post by tumdum_ »

morcus wrote: post #45
tumdum_ wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain what is interesting in those salaries?

They are extremely low (at least by the standard of Software Engineers based in the US)

Lichess is a non profit from France (like it’s author) and those salaries quite normal for France.

Re: Lichess and Take Take Take Sign Cooperation Agreement

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

tumdum_ wrote: post #46
morcus wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are extremely low (at least by the standard of Software Engineers based in the US)

Lichess is a non profit from France (like it’s author) and those salaries quite normal for France.

No it is not. Yes it could be for your average everyday developer but if someone can run site with millions of active users alone, there is no difference in salary based on where the developer stays. Does Mistral pays $100k salary to researchers?

Re: Lichess and Take Take Take Sign Cooperation Agreement

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Post by fernandopj »

static_motion wrote: post #44
sebmellen wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could be part time

Or full time. In some countries, those are pretty decent salaries. I earn €50k in one of the poorer European countries and that puts me in the top ~8%.

Both would be very decent salaries in South America also

Re: Lichess and Take Take Take Sign Cooperation Agreement

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Post by victorbjorklund »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #47
tumdum_ wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lichess is a non profit from France (like it’s author) and those salaries quite normal for France.

No it is not. Yes it could be for your average everyday developer but if someone can run site with millions of active users alone, there is no difference in salary based on where the developer stays. Does Mistral pays $100k salary to researchers?

Pretty sure OpenAI pays higher than chess.com

Re: Lichess and Take Take Take Sign Cooperation Agreement

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #49
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it is not. Yes it could be for your average everyday developer but if someone can run site with millions of active users alone, there is no difference in salary based on where the developer stays. Does Mistral pays $100k salary to researchers?

Pretty sure OpenAI pays higher than chess.com

OpenAI doesn't pay 1 developer higher salary than all the chess.com developers combined.
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