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John Deere to pay $99M in right-to-repair settlement

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Re: John Deere to pay $99M in right-to-repair settlement

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Post by rocmcd »

elAhmo wrote: post #12
causality0 wrote: post #11

One of the most user-hostile companies on earth. My John Deere lawnmower came with a fuel gauge that runs off a CR2032 that's embedded in epoxy. The battery runs out of charge in about six months and the gauge stops working. If you saw the gauge open and replace the battery it doesn't start working again. If you disconnect the gauge the lawnmower won't start. Replacement gauges are $60.

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You're getting downvoted, but this is really the only answer here. Companies won't stop acting this way as long as their shitty behavior is rewarded, and people keep rewarding their shitty behavior.

No amount of legislation is going to prevent them from doing this. This settlement even proves that they can keep doing it with impunity!

Re: John Deere to pay $99M in right-to-repair settlement

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Post by kstrauser »

charcircuit wrote: post #26
snowe2010 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t comment if you don’t want to actually contribute. How are people supposed to know these things before buying the equipment. What if they’re the only provider in their region? There’s a billion reasons why your comment doesn’t contribute.

>How are people supposed to know these things before buying the equipment. By looking at reviews or paying someone to evaluate the product. >What if they’re the only provider in their region Then there is an opportunity for competition. Or you can import a product from another region.

As an outsider, that’s literally what I’m doing: paying attention to the reviews. And some people are telling the reviewer to shut up and quit whining, thus encouraging them not to leave the review that I want to be reading.

Make up your mind. Do you want people to read and write reviews, or don’t you?

Re: John Deere to pay $99M in right-to-repair settlement

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Post by maxerickson »

dmos62 wrote: post #15
causality0 wrote: post #11

One of the most user-hostile companies on earth. My John Deere lawnmower came with a fuel gauge that runs off a CR2032 that's embedded in epoxy. The battery runs out of charge in about six months and the gauge stops working. If you saw the gauge open and replace the battery it doesn't start working again. If you disconnect the gauge the lawnmower won't start. Replacement gauges are $60.

Hot take: it takes mental gymnastics to think that planned obsolescence is not fraud.

Is there a bright line between cost reduction and planned obsolescence?

Obviously a small unreplaceable battery is not a good example for that discussion.

Re: John Deere to pay $99M in right-to-repair settlement

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Post by hatthew »

dmos62 wrote: post #15
causality0 wrote: post #11

One of the most user-hostile companies on earth. My John Deere lawnmower came with a fuel gauge that runs off a CR2032 that's embedded in epoxy. The battery runs out of charge in about six months and the gauge stops working. If you saw the gauge open and replace the battery it doesn't start working again. If you disconnect the gauge the lawnmower won't start. Replacement gauges are $60.

Hot take: it takes mental gymnastics to think that planned obsolescence is not fraud.

Sure, if it's truly planned. I think the tricky part tends to be that it's hard to distinguish between "planned obsolescence" and "incidental obsolescence".

Re: John Deere to pay $99M in right-to-repair settlement

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Post by anitil »

darth_avocado wrote: post #3

The stock is up 5% today. What’s the catch?

There is a premium on risk reduction. I believe this is one of the reasons why companies like to incorporate in Delaware as the courts there are notoriously fast (I'm going off my memory of a Planet Money episode so could be wrong here).

Re: John Deere to pay $99M in right-to-repair settlement

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Post by BobbyTables2 »

verdverm wrote: post #2

The second paragraph likely answers some of your immediate questions > The settlement also includes an agreement by Deere to provide “the digital tools required for the maintenance, diagnosis, and repair” of tractors, combines, and other machinery for 10 years. That part is crucial, as farmers previously resorted to hacking their own equipment’s software just to get it up and running again. John Deere signed a memora…

10 years for the buyer or the manufacturer?

So it’s back to as before in 10 years?

Re: John Deere to pay $99M in right-to-repair settlement

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Post by nmbrskeptix »

laughing_man wrote: post #18
snowe2010 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t comment if you don’t want to actually contribute. How are people supposed to know these things before buying the equipment. What if they’re the only provider in their region? There’s a billion reasons why your comment doesn’t contribute.

"Don't buy their stuff" is exactly the right answer. You need to do your research before you buy big ticket items. It may not be true in every sector, but Deere has plenty of competition.

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