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Volunteers turn a fan's recordings of 10K concerts into an online treasure trove

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Re: Volunteers turn a fan's recordings of 10K concerts into an online treasure trove

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i've always been impressed by the work put into the nine inch nails live archive https://ninlive.com (and the tour history site as well https://www.nintourhistory.com )

Also https://nindata.io/tours and will all be put up on GitHub soon including data

https://www.nintourhistory.com is great too, you can make an account and see personalized stats

Re: Volunteers turn a fan's recordings of 10K concerts into an online treasure trove

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I remember when a collection like this had to be kept secret, otherwise the recording labels would sue. Nobody cares anymore?

These are all almost 10 years old, many are 20 or 30 or even 40 years old. Time makes a big difference.

There's a 2004 article about the taper [0] posted elsewhere in the thread, he definitely did get into a bit of trouble at the time.

> When he got back from England, Shanahan–who’d known Jacobs’s family for years–lectured him, warning him always to get clearance from bands before recording them and to be careful when trading tapes. Soon after this, though, Jacobs snuck his gear into a Bob Mould solo gig at Metro–he’d been unable to get permission, Shanahan says–and was caught by venue staff. Shanahan didn’t let him on the premises again for six years, relenting only after Jacobs got Flaming Lips manager Scott Booker to plead his case.

0: https://chicagoreader.com/music/tapehead/

Re: Volunteers turn a fan's recordings of 10K concerts into an online treasure trove

#43
Shout out to everyone in this thread who seem unable to understand a club might have three unrelated acts on, so each performance is called a "concert" under this collection. Aadam and the crew are focused on making each performance a separate entity instead of grouping them up. Substitute "performance" for "concert" if it helps.

Carry on.

Re: Volunteers turn a fan's recordings of 10K concerts into an online treasure trove

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This snippet is funny: > “Especially after the first couple years, he’s got it so dialed in that some of these recordings, on, like, crappy little cassette tapes from the early 90s, sound incredible,” deMause said. I think in some ways we’ve come full circle such that it doesn’t matter.. because people are listening to various compressed streaming music sources, with loudness-wars mixing, output to airpods, phone spe…

I think you're conflating lossy encoding degrading fidelity with the main problem that plagues most audience recordings: the crowd is in the foreground and the band is in the background. One is nearly imperceptible to most people that haven't spent decades in studios like Neil Young, and the other is immediately obvious to everyone.

Re: Volunteers turn a fan's recordings of 10K concerts into an online treasure trove

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The team needs to talk to Charlie miller et al, the ones who have been cleaning up and posting the grateful dead archive for the last few decades. They are audio magicians.

Interesting! Cleaning up digitized recordings or starting from the tape source?

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Re: Volunteers turn a fan's recordings of 10K concerts into an online treasure trove

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post #19
post #15

The team needs to talk to Charlie miller et al, the ones who have been cleaning up and posting the grateful dead archive for the last few decades. They are audio magicians.

Interesting! Cleaning up digitized recordings or starting from the tape source?

Cassettes are a pain. Head alignment is extremely important for analog tape fidelity, and it's always off for home recordings.

With pro analog tape recordings (e.g. 2-inch 24 track, half-inch 2-track), you record alignment tones onto the tapes to capture the state of the recording device, and then later calibrate the playback device to the particular tape so that playback alignment matches recording alignment. But this is essentially never done with cassettes, so you have to earball it.

Cassette players for mastering studios actually have alignment options (e.g. adjustable azimuth) that aren't present on consumer devices. But without the tones, you have to guess.

The problem with starting from a digitized source is that it may have been digitized from non-aligned playback. Ideally you want to go back to the analog originals - but old cassettes are rarely in perfect condition.

Re: Volunteers turn a fan's recordings of 10K concerts into an online treasure trove

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also https://nindata.io/tours and will all be put up on GitHub soon including data

https://www.nintourhistory.com is great too, you can make an account and see personalized stats

Yeah I love these sites. Wish the data would all be opened up for the nerds!
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