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USD Purchasing Power in Real Time Since 2000

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Re: USD Purchasing Power in Real Time Since 2000

#41
post #30

I question the accuracy. In 2010 I could buy a McDonald's double cheeseburger for $1. Now they're like $3 and they took off a slice of cheese.

The Big Mac Index has the fatal flaw in that it assumes the value of Big Mac is consistent over time; McDonald’s has been at the forefront of fast food attempting to break into a more high income market segment.

Re: USD Purchasing Power in Real Time Since 2000

#42
post #3

You know what, it's not as bad as I was thinking.

For me it's the opposite. I am a bit surprised that inflation halved buying power since 2000. In my mind those level of interest usually come from the stock market or house appreciation, but I guess those are much faster (I seem to recall doubling every 8 years in the stock market and housing being a bit slower).

SimCity, Starcraft, etc. taught me the value of saving up. But after some decades in the real world, I think computer games should simulate inflation so youth can get some practice at this!

Re: USD Purchasing Power in Real Time Since 2000

#43
post #30

I question the accuracy. In 2010 I could buy a McDonald's double cheeseburger for $1. Now they're like $3 and they took off a slice of cheese.

Yeah, same here. Perhaps the Big Mac Index [0] is what you want.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac_Index

Re: USD Purchasing Power in Real Time Since 2000

#44
post #9

This isn't very surprising. Typical US economic policy aims for 2-3% annual inflation. That counter shows an average 2.6% inflation across 26 years, which is kind of right in the range we'd expect. It's debatable whether this is good longterm policy - but it's been the norm in the US for decades.

> Typical US economic policy aims for 2-3% annual inflation. That counter shows an average 2.6% inflation across 26 years, which is kind of right in the range we'd expect We aim for "inflation of 2 percent over the longer run, as measured by the annual change in the price index for personal consumption expenditures" [1]. [1] https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/economy_14400.htm

> "as measured by the annual change in the price index for personal consumption expenditures"

How closely does that track with CPI-U, which is the index this web site is using? If I believe Gemini, PCE should show a slightly lower inflation number?

Re: USD Purchasing Power in Real Time Since 2000

#45
post #30

I question the accuracy. In 2010 I could buy a McDonald's double cheeseburger for $1. Now they're like $3 and they took off a slice of cheese.

Of course this is comparing to one data point that is an outlier. If people are choosing to pay $3 in today's dollars for it, that means that in 2010 McDonald's was underpricing that item relative to its market value. Presumably deliberately as a promotion. Compare across everything you buy and compare like-to-like if you want to judge its accuracy.

Re: USD Purchasing Power in Real Time Since 2000

#46
post #22

The author just discovered the meaning of inflation? What matters (for living standards) is that real wages and GDP grew over the same period.

I think you're confusing "created a visualization because I thought it would be interesting" with "just learned about inflation." :)

Re: USD Purchasing Power in Real Time Since 2000

#47
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a problem that our society is designed for and judged in relation to capital. Most people are paid in dollars, not shares of the S&P 500. 38% of the population doesn't even own any stocks[1]. We can't act like the dropping dollar value is fine simply because stock investments are outpacing those losses. Maybe that tradeoff benefits the people reading this, but it hurts a huge number of Americans. [1] - https://n…

> It's a problem that our society is designed for and judged in relation to capital. Cash is also capital. If you were trying to say it’s a problem that our economic system favors deploying capital into investments instead of hoarding cash, I disagree. An economy where everyone is incentivized to hoarde cash instead of deploying it to investments doesn’t progress because the smartest thing you could do with your mone…

>Cash is also capital.

It's funny you say this and also this:

>You’re conflating income and savings.

You're doing the same thing.

The problem I was hitting on is that large portions of our population don't have any investments are therefore are being left further behind by this tradeoff of stocks in favor of cash. You can't just tell people not to leave their cash sitting around when they don't actually have any cash sitting around.

Re: USD Purchasing Power in Real Time Since 2000

#48
post #30

I question the accuracy. In 2010 I could buy a McDonald's double cheeseburger for $1. Now they're like $3 and they took off a slice of cheese.

In the last 12-24 months the price of fast food in particular has risen at a higher rate than inflation has hit other types of food and goods. Fast food makes no economic sense anymore.

And you're right, the food has gotten worse as well.

Re: USD Purchasing Power in Real Time Since 2000

#49

The real time number isn't as interesting as the potential future number. If the dollar stops being the reserve currency, the purchasing power of the dollar will crash. No more cheap borrowing, no more low interest rates, hello constant high inflation. The Iran war has made that increasingly likely to happen. It may even have been intentional. https://www.jpmorgan.com/insights/global-research/currencies... | https://…

> If the dollar stops being the reserve currency, the purchasing power of the dollar will crash.

And thus manufacturing will return to the US! I thought we wanted that. It's the only way out of the Triffin dilemma.

Re: USD Purchasing Power in Real Time Since 2000

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Healthcare and housing being two big ones Almost all BLS price indices, including CPI, include housing. (CPI measures the “rent of primary residence, owners' equivalent rent, utilities, bedroom furniture” [1].) That said, this is the second time I've come across this myth on HN in less than a week. Where did you hear that price indices don't track healthcare and housing costs? [1] https://www.bls.gov/opub/hom/cpi/c…

The point isn't that CPI excludes healthcare and housing, CPI shelter sub-index https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CUSR0000SAH1 and the medical care sub-index https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CUSR0000SAM2 have grown ~500% and ~770% respectively in the same time frame. The _overall_ CPI they are blended into grew ~300%, which means real wages are deflated. So if personal spending is weighted towards healthcare and h…

> have grown ~500% and ~770% respectively in the same time frame. The _overall_ CPI they are blended into grew ~300%, which means real wages are deflated

If you spend a third of your income on housing and 8% on healthcare [1], then those components–assuming your 5x and 7.7x multiples–will raise your cost of living by 2.25x. That leaves 1.75x for the other components (to get to the overall 3x). That sounds reasonable as a median estimate.

> if personal spending is weighted towards healthcare and housing (anyone who rents or pays a mortgage below a certain income) then your purchasing power is declining faster than the real wage would suggest

Sure. If you spend a lot on imported dates, your purchasing power will currently be declining faster than the median American's. This is a problem. But it's almost by definition not one that can be widespread.

> the "real wage" is inflated relative to the lived experience of those people

Well, yes. There are regional CPIs and income-indexed CPIs and all manners of privately-calculated costs of living. Paying attention to lived experiences or whatever is important, especially in politics. But it's no substitute for broad measures when conducting a national economy.

[2] https://www.bls.gov/opub/btn/volume-9/how-have-healthcare-ex...

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