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Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by ted_bunny »

thyristan wrote: post #20
sneak wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US , when finally back in control by reasonable adults Everyone reasonable seems to be holding their breath in anticipation of this eventually happening. What if it doesn’t? What if all of this is a symptom of an underlying deterioration that extends deeper and beyond the current administration? It’s not Trump that made Americans A-OK with wars of aggression; Obama blew up as many kids using drones as Trump put…

> What if it doesn’t? What if all of this is a symptom of an underlying deterioration that extends deeper and beyond the current administration? It’s not Trump that made Americans A-OK with wars of aggression; Obama blew up as many kids using drones as Trump put into cages. What if the next few are the same, or worse? What do we do if this isn’t a temporary excursion but the new normal for the US and A? In the cold w…

None of that is new or imported from the Asiatic Hordes. It's just more visible now.

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by Shank »

Jensson wrote: post #15
soared wrote: post #10

This seems like one of the first very clear indications that separating your country from the US can be beneficial. The first stone unturned - will we see more countries aligning with other powers?

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> The current Japanese leader is also a war mongerer, so I'd bet they also threatened to enter the war on USA's side if their ships weren't allowed to pass.

The amount of misinformation foreign people have about Takaichi-san is staggering. She is by no means a "war mongerer" and the Japanese constitution has clear limits that prevent Japan from doing virtually anything. The reason why Japan can get a pass is because they specifically have diplomatic relations with Iran, and when she met with Trump, she promised absolutely nothing due to constitutional limits.

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by bdbdbdb »

vrganj wrote: post #8
zzzeek wrote: post #3

The US , when finally back in control by reasonable adults, will need to offer great concessions to Iran in order to extricate from the effects of a disastrous, illegal (both from a US as well as an intentional standpoint) and of course, completely, utterly failed war. And it might be just that Iran gets to be a permanent toll collector for the global economy.

No matter who controls the US in the future, it will never go back to the position it once had globally. It's been actively harming it's allies, threatening them with invasion and conspiring with their enemies. The rest of the world cannot afford to give the American people the benefit of the doubt. After Trump I, there was hope it was just a fluke. Trump II is much worse and cements the unreliability of the American…

This. We all thought Trump was a crazy accident but the fact that he almost beat Biden, and then did beat Harris, means we just can't trust Americans to put sensible people in charge. Assuming a democrat takes the office next, they will inherit an economy in tatters, a failing infrastructure and a broken strategic alliance. They'll have four years to try to fix all of that while the republicans blame them for everything they've inherited, and four years from that the American people will have largely forgotten how Trump and his minions trailed dog shit all through the house and they'll vote for the next right wing dick that's been groomed for the job - probably Pete Hegseth, or Don Jr, or Mark Wayne Mullin

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by andy_ppp »

throw949449 wrote: post #13
ogogmad wrote: post #4

Just about a week ago, Trump was joking about Pearl Harbor on TV while the Japanese PM was sitting right next to him. What's more, she's a nationalist.

Remember that video about ethnical clensing gaza, beach resort casinos and golden Trump statues? Real estste crypto bro version of hitler!

If only Hollywood had have let Trump be in more films than Home Alone 2, none of this would have happened!

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by ted_bunny »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #36
sneak wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US , when finally back in control by reasonable adults Everyone reasonable seems to be holding their breath in anticipation of this eventually happening. What if it doesn’t? What if all of this is a symptom of an underlying deterioration that extends deeper and beyond the current administration? It’s not Trump that made Americans A-OK with wars of aggression; Obama blew up as many kids using drones as Trump put…

Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. The US saw what Trump did during his first term, and four years later, after relative calm, they were like "nah, let's go back to Trump." That's the new normal. In fact, things will be worse during the next election, with even more of the media owned by unhinged billionaires intent on robbing as much as possible from normal people.

I don't think the electorate ran back into Trump's arms. Kamala was an egregiously poor candidate. He didn't win, she lost.

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by Maken »

Jensson wrote: post #15
soared wrote: post #10

This seems like one of the first very clear indications that separating your country from the US can be beneficial. The first stone unturned - will we see more countries aligning with other powers?

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The only countries going to war with Iran are Israel and USA. The other countries are negotiating with Iran and reportedly paying the toll. Also, the strait has been open to Spanish tankers since two weeks ago.

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by watwut »

ronnier wrote: post #29
iJohnDoe wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worst case there will be another Republican president from the same tribe. We could be in for the same exact chaos and damage for another four years. This could go on for a long time. Remember, Republicans get out and vote. They would rather suffer and destroy America just so the democrats don’t win.

I think a large part of why they do this and vote the way they do is because of comments like yours. Hacker news, Reddit, award shows, movies, universities, etc all have a constant drum beat of disdain and hate towards them. I think this motivates them into voting even if the vote is against their own interest.

Everything republican party do and everything republicans vote for ... are fault of the opposition. Always. Republicans are little helpless souls having no choice but cause maxinum harm as long as opposition in any for exists.

Look at what that party collectively stands for now, who they kick out and who they keep. They all stand behind trump.

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by The_Goonies1985 »

jghn wrote: post #5

Last week the US stated they didn't need any of the oil, and that if other countries wanted it they could go figure it out themselves. Looks like they have. And yet the US is now back to threatening Iran if they don't open up the oil.

>And yet the US is now back to threatening Iran...

It's not you specifically, but there's a broader sociological problem where we anthropomorphize countries and then claim they are doing things.

The average person in the US is not threatening Iran, and rationally the US cannot be said to be threatening Iran. What's happening is that an elite clique of Epstein-adjacent legacy-power-trolls (aka The US Government) are threatening Iran.

The US does not have legs, arms, or hands, it cannot do anything. This turn of phrase in which the US (or any country) does something is a semantic-contraption of legacy-power designed to make citizens (whether left, right, or undecided) feel psychologically-responsible for the actions of a entrenched-class of elite-warmongers who do not represent them; and have not represented them for, likely, thousands of years.

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by Jensson »

Shank wrote: post #42
Jensson wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> The current Japanese leader is also a war mongerer, so I'd bet they also threatened to enter the war on USA's side if their ships weren't allowed to pass. The amount of misinformation foreign people have about Takaichi-san is staggering. She is by no means a "war mongerer" and the Japanese constitution has clear limits that prevent Japan from doing virtually anything. The reason why Japan can get a pass is because…

Why would she promise anything to Trump? She just wants Iran to let them through, USA isn't blocking anyone here, USA isn't a part of that conversation.

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by lifestyleguru »

andy_ppp wrote: post #44
throw949449 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember that video about ethnical clensing gaza, beach resort casinos and golden Trump statues? Real estste crypto bro version of hitler!

If only Hollywood had have let Trump be in more films than Home Alone 2, none of this would have happened!

That's a revenge for not letting him to play his character in Back to the Future.
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