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Critics say EU risks ceding control of its tech laws under U.S. pressure

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Re: Critics say EU risks ceding control of its tech laws under U.S. pressure

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Isn't it strange how Washington makes laws in the EU? I wonder if these lobbyists get paid a lot.

Meh, you're right but the EU also makes laws in the US ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect ). In the end it's not about who makes the law but whether it's a good law. Ecodesign laws making US vacuum cleaners more economical is good. Trade pressures undermining EU privacy protections maybe not so good.

I like how out of all examples to pit up against eroding privacy protections was consumer vacuum stuff from ages ago.

Re: Critics say EU risks ceding control of its tech laws under U.S. pressure

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> personal injury attorney > ... a degraded culture Do matters of personal injury liability not apply in Europe?

It does happen, but it's way less lucrative. Tends to be limited to actual damages rather than punitive damages. There have been some scam-ish sub-industries (fake whiplash claims, suing councils for tripping over cracks in the pavement). It's very rare to see advertising for lawyers.

It's also rare because advertising for lawyers (and doctors) is strictly regulated in some member states. A sign in front of the office saying "S. Goodman, attorney, specialized in drugs, organized crime and whiplash" is OK, billboards, TV spots, newspaper ads and any kind of claims beyond "I'm an attorney and this is my office and specialty" are verboten.

Re: Critics say EU risks ceding control of its tech laws under U.S. pressure

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> personal injury attorney > ... a degraded culture Do matters of personal injury liability not apply in Europe?

FWIW it took me multiple US television shows to figure out what "ambulance chasers" are and why they exist.

Pretty sure this is illegal now across the board.

Re: Critics say EU risks ceding control of its tech laws under U.S. pressure

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post #42

Is it just me or is there not actual meat to this article? Like what specifically are the rules at issue here?

The "Digital Services Act" effectively takes the divisive dark money out of advertising and requires more than minimum-effort moderation, affecting Meta and X:

- bans targeted advertising based on a person’s sexual orientation, religion, ethnicity, or political beliefs and puts restrictions on targeting ads to children

- requires transparency on content algorithms and advertising

- requires online platforms prevent and remove posts containing illegal goods, services, or content in a timely fashion

The "Digital Markets Act" requires interoperability and competition:

- requires Apple to allow competing app stores, very contentious for Apple who invented a stack of fees for this

- requires Apple and Google to allow apps to freely use 3rd party payments, this is very contentious for Apple and they still charge for doing so

- allow 3rd parties interoperability, eg headphones and smartwatches for Apple and messaging clients for Meta, this is starting to improve

- allow removal of preinstalled apps, settings of new defaults, this is largely done although malicious compliance has kept rival browsers at bay on iPhone

Re: Critics say EU risks ceding control of its tech laws under U.S. pressure

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post #21

Specifically, this is another Parliament vs Commission issue. The Commission loves to have little deals away from the public where everything is quietly smoothed over, while the Parliament is trying to build popular legitimacy.

Also, I'm not sure there's much pressure involved. Mass surveillance is a thing "centrist" EU politicians very much want themselves.

Re: Critics say EU risks ceding control of its tech laws under U.S. pressure

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post #21

Specifically, this is another Parliament vs Commission issue. The Commission loves to have little deals away from the public where everything is quietly smoothed over, while the Parliament is trying to build popular legitimacy.

Also, I'm not sure there's much pressure involved. Mass surveillance is a thing "centrist" EU politicians very much want themselves.

It’s the public/private dichotomy you see everywhere.

Publicly pols say one thing or stand for one thing and privately they hold different views.

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