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Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by CamperBob2 »

the_pwner224 wrote: post #28
daft_pink wrote: post #13

Not really interested in using models hosted on alibaba cloud. Like Qwen local for it’s privacy, but I trust the privacy of Google/OpenAI/Anthropic more than alibaba.

I had the exact opposite reaction. I stopped using OpenAI/Google a while ago due to privacy and moved to local Qwen, now I'm considering using Alibaba cloud. You know Google and OpenAI are going to share everything with the US government and Western ad networks. But with Alibaba, who cares if the CCP & Chinese ad networks have a comprehensive profile on me? From a pragmatic perspective it's much better for (outcomes…

As with all arguments equivalent to "I have nothing to hide, so I have nothing to fear," it may be true now, but it may not be true later. The only certainty is that this will not be your call.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by the_pwner224 »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #41
the_pwner224 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had the exact opposite reaction. I stopped using OpenAI/Google a while ago due to privacy and moved to local Qwen, now I'm considering using Alibaba cloud. You know Google and OpenAI are going to share everything with the US government and Western ad networks. But with Alibaba, who cares if the CCP & Chinese ad networks have a comprehensive profile on me? From a pragmatic perspective it's much better for (outcomes…

As with all arguments equivalent to "I have nothing to hide, so I have nothing to fear," it may be true now, but it may not be true later. The only certainty is that this will not be your call.

Agreed

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by sosodev »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #39

I hope their open source variants are just as good, having a 1 million token window for a fully offline model would be VERY interesting.

I don't know how well it performs, but you can extend Qwen3.5 to 1 million token context using YaRN. Also, Nemotron 3 Super was recently released and scales up to 1 million token context natively.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by thereitgoes456 »

zobzu wrote: post #38
the_pwner224 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had the exact opposite reaction. I stopped using OpenAI/Google a while ago due to privacy and moved to local Qwen, now I'm considering using Alibaba cloud. You know Google and OpenAI are going to share everything with the US government and Western ad networks. But with Alibaba, who cares if the CCP & Chinese ad networks have a comprehensive profile on me? From a pragmatic perspective it's much better for (outcomes…

so if China has the data good, us has the data bad, got it lol. us actually has laws around this and they arent sharing very much with thr us gov today. china shares 100% as required by law. and neither care much about "how long do i cook eggs for", but they do care about code generation a lot.

> so if China has the data good, us has the data bad

It's not that, it's about relative risk to your own life. Asking questions about "DEI" for example is much more likely to have adverse effects on your life if you ask Grok or an OpenAI chatbot, though still not that likely.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

#46

Post by esafak »

cubefox wrote: post #17
Aurornis wrote: post #11

This is their hosted-only model, not an open weight model like they’ve become known for. They got a lot of good publicity for their open weight model releases, which was the goal. The hard part is pivoting from an open weight provider to being considered as a competitor to Claude and ChatGPT. Initial reactions are mostly anger from everyone who didn’t realize that the play along was to give away the smaller models as…

> I think there is a moderately large market for models like this that aren’t quite SOTA level but can be served up much cheaper. There isn't, pretty much everyone wants the best of the best.

That's only because current models don't saturate people's needs. Once they are fast and smart enough people will pick cheaper ones.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by [deleted] »

FuckButtons wrote: post #33
thegeomaster wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it seems they've decided to go closed-source for their largest, best models.

3.5-plus was also only available via api. I don’t know what the long term business model for open weights is, I hope there is one, but it seems foolish to assume that companies will be willing to spend millions of dollars of compute on an asset worth zero in perpetuity.

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Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

#48

Post by wolttam »

cubefox wrote: post #17
Aurornis wrote: post #11

This is their hosted-only model, not an open weight model like they’ve become known for. They got a lot of good publicity for their open weight model releases, which was the goal. The hard part is pivoting from an open weight provider to being considered as a competitor to Claude and ChatGPT. Initial reactions are mostly anger from everyone who didn’t realize that the play along was to give away the smaller models as…

> I think there is a moderately large market for models like this that aren’t quite SOTA level but can be served up much cheaper. There isn't, pretty much everyone wants the best of the best.

Nope. I get very good results from GLM 5 and 5.1. I’m not working on anything so complex and groundbreaking that I need the best.

Coding is a rung on the ladder of model capability. Frontier models will grow to take on more capabilities, while smaller more focused models start becoming the economical choice for coding

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by dev_l1x_be »

Aurornis wrote: post #11

This is their hosted-only model, not an open weight model like they’ve become known for. They got a lot of good publicity for their open weight model releases, which was the goal. The hard part is pivoting from an open weight provider to being considered as a competitor to Claude and ChatGPT. Initial reactions are mostly anger from everyone who didn’t realize that the play along was to give away the smaller models as…

How stupid somebody has to be to mix up Opus with Qwen?

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

#50

Post by wongarsu »

zobzu wrote: post #38
the_pwner224 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had the exact opposite reaction. I stopped using OpenAI/Google a while ago due to privacy and moved to local Qwen, now I'm considering using Alibaba cloud. You know Google and OpenAI are going to share everything with the US government and Western ad networks. But with Alibaba, who cares if the CCP & Chinese ad networks have a comprehensive profile on me? From a pragmatic perspective it's much better for (outcomes…

so if China has the data good, us has the data bad, got it lol. us actually has laws around this and they arent sharing very much with thr us gov today. china shares 100% as required by law. and neither care much about "how long do i cook eggs for", but they do care about code generation a lot.

From an espionage perspective your own government is the safest. But from a civil rights perspective your own government is your most immediate threat. China isn't going to arrest me for my opinions on Netanyahu, my own government could

And the US government has repeatedly shown that it is very interested in collecting all the data available, just like China. In China this is simply done in the open while the US has a veneer of protection for citizens. But where the data collection is forbidden by law they either ignore the law or ask another five eyes member to do the spying and share the results. Both are well documented

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