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The OpenAI graveyard: All the deals and products that haven't happened

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Re: The OpenAI graveyard: All the deals and products that haven't happened

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>The LLM usage will generate hundreds of billions of dollars in ad revenue, which will be wildly lucrative in terms of margins (not as good as Google search used to be). This seems like ... not the situation we are in. LLMs are great for coding now but their text generation capabilities aren't exactly capturing the masses or replacing their jobs yet. People are already tired of the deluge of fake content on the inter…

> The $20-200 LLM plans are all subsidized and aren't paying for themselves. Something has to give here. Whats interesting to me as well as much as companies are pushing AI adoption, i have started to hear AI token spend limits enforced across a few companies, so its not entirely clear that b2b can make them profitable yet either. If all the models reach good enough, then low cost provider would win. Gemini seems lik…

>If all the models reach good enough, then low cost provider would win. Gemini seems like a safer bet since Google controls more of the stack / has more efficiencies / cross selling / etc.

Gemini is the best deal too. For $20: you get multiple quotas per day across the products (web, CLI, antigravity, AI Studio) 2tb of cloud storage, and you can family share the plan.

Re: The OpenAI graveyard: All the deals and products that haven't happened

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Not interested in a service with ads throughout my workday, which is why I switched to Anthropic. Billions in projected revenue is nothing but hype/cope. Google and Meta got their edge because their product was offered for "free" to the masses.

absolutely not the case. there isn’t a single nerve in human brains that goes “oh imma tolerate ads cause this shit’s free but if I pay a few bucks no way” - if the product you use has utility to you, you will tolerate ads provided no other acceptable alternative. not to tell you something you don’t already know but anthropic is getting ads, eventually, it is a given. so while today you may have an alternative (argua…

Yeah sure, but for me the common man OpenAI doesn't add any value that Claude, Gemini or Meta AI doesn't also provide.

If they want to out-ad those companies to the tune of billions, I'll go with the least annoying. OpenAI hasn't earned any loyalty.

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My guess is Sam Altman is a better VC than CEO. Better at hype, networking, fund raising, and back room political hijinks than shipping a focused product He seems to be trying to take almost a "venture studio" approach by throwing shit at the wall, but the problem with these things is always that the "internal startups" are "founded" by people who don't have enough incentive or control over their product to perform a…

What he would be truly amazing at is shitcoin rug-pulling.

Re: The OpenAI graveyard: All the deals and products that haven't happened

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>The LLM usage will generate hundreds of billions of dollars in ad revenue, which will be wildly lucrative in terms of margins (not as good as Google search used to be). This seems like ... not the situation we are in. LLMs are great for coding now but their text generation capabilities aren't exactly capturing the masses or replacing their jobs yet. People are already tired of the deluge of fake content on the inter…

LLM usage will largely replace traditional search, and that's stage one. To be specific, search will be consumed by the LLMs, it'll be merely an aspect of what they do for the user, and that'll include handling the more intricate details of the search, refining the search, understanding the results of search, etc. The age of the typical user handling any of that is about to end. Search will more be a feature of Gemin…

Google is already dumping LLMs into search and it works well and is free.

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These exact words were said tens of thousands of times about Facebook (am old enough to remember those discussions :) ), “no way they can monetize on mobile” (this was the most fun). rules are simple, if you have Xbn or XXXm users on your system, you will make big bank in ads eventually

It's tempting to look at trends and assume there must be a rule behind them, but it's also intellectually lazy. Please do the hard work of justifying your stance like GGP did.

it is a simple stance - if you have a product that is used by hundreds of millions of people ad monetization strategy will be found cause there are people a lot smarter than you and me that will get it done. here’s intellectual challenge - find a business with comparable number of users to openai which is not swimming in ad revenue - one will do

Re: The OpenAI graveyard: All the deals and products that haven't happened

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Who is the person in the portrait at the top of the page?

The CEO himself. For some reason, he does not look like a man whom I would trust with my money, but it appears that there are enough rich investors who disagree.

Threw me off because I have no idea what Altman looks like and the article opened with "OpenAI’s CEO of applications Fidji Simo..."

Re: The OpenAI graveyard: All the deals and products that haven't happened

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I think the VC/investor community needs to take A LOT of blame here. They've created an insane rush to financialize everything to moon at the drop of a hat.

I mean, even Andresson-Horowitz was taking NFT's seriously as though they weren't a scam only a few years ago (https://a16z.com/the-nft-starter-pack-tools-for-anyone-to-an...).

These people are also looking (and funding) quantum computing companies as though quantum computing is right around the corner after AGI.

They need to cool their jets. AI is certainly a worthwhile and super important development, but it's still possible to go overboard with it.

Re: The OpenAI graveyard: All the deals and products that haven't happened

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post #11

My guess is Sam Altman is a better VC than CEO. Better at hype, networking, fund raising, and back room political hijinks than shipping a focused product He seems to be trying to take almost a "venture studio" approach by throwing shit at the wall, but the problem with these things is always that the "internal startups" are "founded" by people who don't have enough incentive or control over their product to perform a…

What he would be truly amazing at is shitcoin rug-pulling.

Isn't he already doing that with his Worldcoin thing?

Re: The OpenAI graveyard: All the deals and products that haven't happened

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> The $20-200 LLM plans are all subsidized and aren't paying for themselves. Something has to give here. Whats interesting to me as well as much as companies are pushing AI adoption, i have started to hear AI token spend limits enforced across a few companies, so its not entirely clear that b2b can make them profitable yet either. If all the models reach good enough, then low cost provider would win. Gemini seems lik…

In large part because most companies have a set budget for IT spend. Thats how “normal” profitable companies operate outside this cash burning bonanza that’s going on. And in that reality one can’t just magically spend a bunch more on some fancy new thing, especially when said fancy new thing isn’t retuning value. So “token limits” and cost controls on B2B is entirely expected here.

> especially when said fancy new thing isn’t retuning value

I think this is the key element. Either they can't measure the value, or it's far far lower than anyone wants to believe, or both.

I think the problem is less that it makes some coding tasks XX% faster, but that the end to end of a SWEs roles tasks is only improved by some much smaller Y%.

If a CTO sets $10k/year spend limits on $500k SWEs.. they must not believe any of the hype.

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