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Spain shuts airspace for US planes involved in Iran war

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Re: Spain shuts airspace for US planes involved in Iran war

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> But the US not being allowed to use the bases it pays and maintains for Spain makes it questionable why it does so in the first place. Why lie like this? I linked the agreement; the US doesn't maintain everything. "Each Party shall bear the costs of operation and maintenance of services and installations, or parts thereof, referred to in paragraph 1 of this Article which it uses exclusively, as well as the identifi…

The United States has never activated article 5. Get your facts straight before attempting to use an LLM to reply to me. The coalition for Afghanistan was voluntary. This isn't even that, it's just flying our planes over Spain's airspace. Even as a joint contributor I see no reason for the US to pay for bases it's never going to be allowed to use.

> I see no reason for the US to pay for bases it's never going to be allowed to use.

Which isn't the situation being imposed by Spain. They're being told they can't use the airspace for one specific military action. They maintain use of their bases in other ways (training, presumably ship refueling, maintenance, etc). They may be able to use the airspace for _other_ military actions in the future.

Re: Spain shuts airspace for US planes involved in Iran war

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I hate to say this, but they're correct, if only pedantically. The claim was: > The United States has never activated article 5 The US didn't activate it. It was: > The decision to invoke NATO's collective self-defense provisions was undertaken at NATO's own initiative, without a request by the United States source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NATO_Article_5_contingenc... Regardless, article 5 was activated _o…

If we're gonna go to that level of splitting hairs, then I'd suggest "NATO - including Spain - did it without us even having to ask " is quite supportive of my position.

I tend to agree.

Re: Spain shuts airspace for US planes involved in Iran war

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Israeli media reports that today USA bombed a school again with an experimental ballistic missle, killing 21 people: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/2026-03-30/ty-...

US is already very unpopular even among the traditionally very pro-US populations, which means anyone not distancing themselves from US will underperform and in many cases pro-US politicians will be ousted.

These posts are getting flagged but its actually vey relevant for US tech as US tech may end up blocked across the world with potentially reducing its userbase by %90 percent as US population quite small actually.

Re: Spain shuts airspace for US planes involved in Iran war

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post #15

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Ah yes...the criticizing Israel is antisemitic argument... "I stand behind the Israeli soldiers; whether there are children or women, it doesn't matter to me if there is damage. There are no innocent civilians in Jenin" - https://www.instagram.com/reel/DWWUmuFDgqP/

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You're doing it again, conflating antisemitism and criticism of Israel, I flagged your comments.

Re: Spain shuts airspace for US planes involved in Iran war

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post #43

Israeli media reports that today USA bombed a school again with an experimental ballistic missle, killing 21 people: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/2026-03-30/ty-... US is already very unpopular even among the traditionally very pro-US populations, which means anyone not distancing themselves from US will underperform and in many cases pro-US politicians will be ousted. These posts are getting flagged…

edit: Well, crap. I was wrong. Apologies!

I guess we've obliterated two schools now. Ugh.

Re: Spain shuts airspace for US planes involved in Iran war

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post #15

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Ah yes...the criticizing Israel is antisemitic argument... "I stand behind the Israeli soldiers; whether there are children or women, it doesn't matter to me if there is damage. There are no innocent civilians in Jenin" - https://www.instagram.com/reel/DWWUmuFDgqP/

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Boiling legitimate criticism of the USA funding of Israel to “of course the Jews stole it” is intellectually dishonest.

Re: Spain shuts airspace for US planes involved in Iran war

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5k is almost free. And yes you pay tax to find universities. Makes sense. Paying full tuition in the USA is like paying a tax, only worse, it's a lot more.

As disgusted as I am with Israel's action over the last 80 years, put the blame where it belong. 5k is far from nothing, it is more than enough in any country than subsidize higher education. Which is most of the world at this point.

I mean have you seen what US colleges cost?

Re: Spain shuts airspace for US planes involved in Iran war

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post #43

Israeli media reports that today USA bombed a school again with an experimental ballistic missle, killing 21 people: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/2026-03-30/ty-... US is already very unpopular even among the traditionally very pro-US populations, which means anyone not distancing themselves from US will underperform and in many cases pro-US politicians will be ousted. These posts are getting flagged…

edit: Well, crap. I was wrong. Apologies! I guess we've obliterated two schools now. Ugh.

Oh its from 2 days ago? Okay then, let's vote in the politicians that will drag us to war crimes and genocides with US and Israel - said no one.

Re: Spain shuts airspace for US planes involved in Iran war

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post #48

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edit: Well, crap. I was wrong. Apologies! I guess we've obliterated two schools now. Ugh.

Oh its from 2 days ago? Okay then, let's vote in the politicians that will drag us to war crimes and genocides with US and Israel - said no one.

You're welcome to review my commenting history; I'm by no means supportive of either administration nor the Iran War. (You'll find me, for example, noting Israel's campaign in Gaza is ethnic cleansing; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46519718)

edit: Strike the rest.

Re: Spain shuts airspace for US planes involved in Iran war

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post #43

Israeli media reports that today USA bombed a school again with an experimental ballistic missle, killing 21 people: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/2026-03-30/ty-... US is already very unpopular even among the traditionally very pro-US populations, which means anyone not distancing themselves from US will underperform and in many cases pro-US politicians will be ousted. These posts are getting flagged…

edit: Well, crap. I was wrong. Apologies! I guess we've obliterated two schools now. Ugh.

No, this is a different strike. Please read the NYT article you linked more carefully.

> The Feb. 28 attack occurred the same day as a U.S. Tomahawk cruise missile struck a school in the city of Minab, several hundred miles away, killing 175 people. In the case of Lamerd, though, it involved a weapon that had been untested in combat.

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