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The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by thewebguyd »

derefr wrote: post #13

So... if we all care so much about shooting down the bad idea, why is nobody proposing opposite legislation: a bill enshrining a right to private communications, such that bills like this one would become impossible to even table? Is it just that there's no "privacy lobby" interested in getting even one lawyer around to sit down and write it up? Or is there at least one such bill floating around, but no EU member sta…

The right to private communication is already enshrined in the EU.

Article 7, EU Charter of Fundamental Rights: Respect for private and family life (and probably a couple other sections in there as well).

The problem is national security exceptions. Chat control and other similar bills are trying to carve out exceptions to privacy laws under the excuse of national security.

Also its politically cheap to introduce surveillance or to expand state power, it's comparatively extremely difficult to pass laws that specifically restrict state power.

Privacy laws are well and good, but they exist. The problem is we need to stop allowing "public safety" or "national security" to be a trump card that allows exceptions to said laws, and good luck getting any government to ever agree that privacy is more important than national security.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by orleyhuxwell »

kleiba wrote: post #21

If you're ever unsure about whether a proposed EU regulation may be good or bad, just look at whether Hungary supports it: if so, it's bad; if not, it might be good. Egészségére!

I'm Polish and I was positivity shocked that we oppose it. I remember attending some protests against ACTA which as far as I remember was supposed to be something similar, back in my student days. It was -17°C and people still showed up. Apparently we have some culture of opposing censorship and invigilation by state. May come in handy if the democratic decline keeps progressing...

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by izacus »

vrganj wrote: post #3

Framing this as the EU's attempt is antieuropean propaganda. It is the Conservatives attempt. The EU parliament is the entity that shot it down last time.

Yeah, it's like saying "USA wants to poison children still!" when a Republican files another deranged bill in their state.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by Pay08 »

vrganj wrote: post #36
Findecanor wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't follow EU politics that much, but I know that one of the strongest proponents for it has been from the Swedish Social Democratic party, which has dominated Swedish politics. So, in my view this is not really a "left" or "right" thing, but something that is pushed by people you could call "the establishment".

The vote has literally been scheduled by the EPP, the EU grouping of conservative parties.

And that means only they can support it? This isn't the USA, there's no 2 party system where everything "we" do is good and everything "the other side" does is bad.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by freehorse »

vrganj wrote: post #3

Framing this as the EU's attempt is antieuropean propaganda. It is the Conservatives attempt. The EU parliament is the entity that shot it down last time.

The last version of chat control was pushed by Denmark, which presided the european council until december, and with a social democratic prime minister (coalition government with social democrats the majority). The "conservatives push for chat control" is not really accurate, a bit part of social democrats are also supporting it.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by petermcneeley »

triska wrote: post #27
derefr wrote: post #13

So... if we all care so much about shooting down the bad idea, why is nobody proposing opposite legislation: a bill enshrining a right to private communications, such that bills like this one would become impossible to even table? Is it just that there's no "privacy lobby" interested in getting even one lawyer around to sit down and write it up? Or is there at least one such bill floating around, but no EU member sta…

Quoting from the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union , https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:12... : "Article 7 Respect for private and family life Everyone has the right to respect for his or her private and family life, home and communications. Article 8 Protection of personal data 1. Everyone has the right to the protection of personal data concerning him or her. 2. Such data mu…

You know that those pieces of paper mean nothing.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by vrganj »

Pay08 wrote: post #46
vrganj wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vote has literally been scheduled by the EPP, the EU grouping of conservative parties.

And that means only they can support it? This isn't the USA, there's no 2 party system where everything "we" do is good and everything "the other side" does is bad.

I'm not saying only they support it, nor do I believe most groupings in the EU are "good". I'm only saying the ones currently working on overturning the parliament vote are the Conservatives, seeing how they're the ones trying to force a revote.
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