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Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Israel really needs to stop interfering in other countries' elections. That's not acceptable. We don't interfere when their population votes for warcriminals either.

This isn't Israel the state, it's a private company that's based in Israel.

If you think for a second that the Israeli state allows this company to sell its services to anyone who is opposed to their interests, you really don't understand how defense companies and states work.

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Who would be the Terry A. Davis of Israel-as-Ticketmaster?

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To say that this is entirely the Slovenian party's fault implies that Israel cannot govern their own state. Both are complicit.

> implies that Israel cannot govern their own state Or more simply that what the Israeli company did, is not illegal in Israel.

I can guarantee you that it is very illegal if you target the wrong government.

Selective prosecution is a recurring issue under Israeli jurisprudence.

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Am I mistaken but in theory aren't Solvenia and Isreal technically allies ? I'm not naive to believe intelligence agencies don't target each other in many ways, but general voting interference seems quite brazzen. I would love to see an example being made out of them here. That said, bar sanctions, Isreali 'private' companies like this seem to have carte blanch on whatever they want to do. No sanctions, no fines, not…

How are they technically allies? Israel is not in eu or nato. If you mean broadly, western-minded, yes but slovenia expressed some uncomfortable positions for israel lately

> yes but slovenia expressed some uncomfortable positions for Israel lately

hasn't everyone though ? Does that mean Isreal is in the clear to interfere ?

> Israel is not in eu or nato. No of course not, but there is an alignment technically, I guess the western minded.

Ireland is not a NATO member but there would be some backlash from hearing Isreal was interfearing in elections.

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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post #17

Israel really needs to stop interfering in other countries' elections. That's not acceptable. We don't interfere when their population votes for warcriminals either.

This isn't Israel the state, it's a private company that's based in Israel.

Sure, a private company that just happens to have had multiple former Mossad directors on their board.

Coincidences are funny sometimes :-)

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Alternate source due to paywall: https://www.politico.eu/article/black-cube-leak-tape-corrupt...

"The SDS says the recordings — which feature a former minister, a top lawyer and other prominent figures — are proof of corruption at the highest levels of Slovenian society; while Golob’s supporters say the scandal is evidence that Janša is collaborating with foreign entities to retake power." Sounds like they're all just different brands of scum.

Yeah, what studiously seems to be absent is a denial of the contents of the recording. Kind of as if Nixon's Watergate burglars had found damning evidence of Democratic shenanigans- just a melee between dirty handed criminals all around.

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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I wonder when people will stop being scared to speak out. Is it once they lose their job due to stolen data? Is it once Palantir decides they are a threat and they lose their freedom? Is it once they lose their own land? Is it after starting the 10th war?

At the risk of stating the obvious, Black Cube is an actual private intelligence firm that sells spy services [1], while Palantir is a software firm that sells software (even if that software is used by intelligence, gov, etc). You can go spin up a free Foundry instance [2] and test it, and it doesn't have secret buttons to imprison people. [1] https://www.blackcube.com/ [2] https://www.palantir.com/developers/

Yes, they are master hackers - they even hacked the scrollbar on their web page.

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

gee I wonder what does the private company gain from defaming another country's "pro-Palestine" party.

...money? My point is a simple one: the company was hired by someone. Was it the opposition party? To say this is entirely Israel's doing implies the Slovenian party that benefits just happens to have gotten lucky. The reality is likely considerably murkier than that.

Would Black Cube have accepted a client that was very pro-Palestinian and was trying to lure voters away from the pro-Israel party?

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

gee I wonder what does the private company gain from defaming another country's "pro-Palestine" party.

...money? My point is a simple one: the company was hired by someone. Was it the opposition party? To say this is entirely Israel's doing implies the Slovenian party that benefits just happens to have gotten lucky. The reality is likely considerably murkier than that.

And to say it's not Israel's doing implies that Israel just happens to have gotten lucky.
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