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Musketeer d'Artagnan's remains believed found under Dutch church

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Re: Musketeer d'Artagnan's remains believed found under Dutch church

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Post by jfengel »

Shitty-kitty wrote: post #35
jfengel wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only if you were reasonably wealthy. Monasteries were not orphanages. You could sometimes dump a baby off there (they had deposit bins specifically for that), but they wouldn't raise it. They would usually find somebody else to take care of it. Monasteries did not have accept older children or adults, either. Children given to the church would often come with money for their care and feeding. The poor would often get…

Genearlly nuns would enter to convent before puberty while boys would enter the monastary after. You are right that they were not orphanages and did not take young children, thou what orphanages there were, were run by the Church. Abandoing newborns to a orphanage was not possible. Babies can't survive on cow's milk, especially the unpastuzed kind.

Wet nurses were also an option. Presumably not from the monastery, but from a nearby village.

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Post by sillyfluke »

srean wrote: post #13

Count of Monte Cristo is also semi fictional. A few month's ago I started reading Three Musketeers again. I had forgotten how relentless and fast moving it is. Moving from one action set piece to the next from beginning to end. It is almost overpowering, literally had to catch my breadth before turning a page. I had forgotten how it was when I had read it as a kid.

A reminder that The Count of Monte Cristo is inspired by the mixed race father of the author, General Alexander Dumas, who also had a somewhat fascinating life riding currents of fate during the French revolution.

The Black Count

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13330922-the-black-count

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Post by serf »

kjs3 wrote: post #27
ramses0 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"""Hey ChatGPT, I've heard you make a good book club partner. I've just read [Three Musketeers|Count of Monte Cristo] and want to have a discussion about it. Ask me what I think before you tell me what you think, let's go!""" ...I read both of the books recently and it was illuminating to be able to near-instantly explore avenues of insight/criticism of both of the books. Three Musketeers matches fairly closely to Wi…

Yes...clearly running to something that is "regurgitating a bunch of of reddit comments and academic books/papers" is much, much better than finding a couple of actual humans that read books, and then talking to them. Peak AI right there.

I get your angle, but have you ever read the discourse between humans regarding fiction?

I mean humans have made death threats towards other humans about whether or not Han shot first.

fiction-fan-discourse is a very low bar on the rankings of human social interaction. I'm not saying that makes it replacable and trivial, but let's not pretend that every fiction discussion with another honest to god human being is a Rembrandt.

Re: Musketeer d'Artagnan's remains believed found under Dutch church

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Post by jingojango2 »

Starman_Jones wrote: post #39
brightball wrote: post #2

Hold on…that was an entirely fictional story? Is there some part of it that was based on real people?

The three musketeers - fictional d'Artagnan - real Cardinal Richelieu - real Queen Anne - real Louis XIII - real France - fictional

Sacrebleu !

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Post by hulitu »

roysting wrote: post #23

What bothers me about these kinds of things is that we are sanitizing all of the soil of indigenous culture exactly like was done in other place around the globe by the force that drove "colonialism". Now this impulse to scour and loot humanity of its indigenous cultural sites is turned on the indigenous Europeans, by the same ruling class and their institutional "researchers", "scientists" and "adventurer" apparatch…

> at least come up with some standard of restoring things once investigated.

Huh ? Have you seen US give Venezuela its oil back ? We are human beings. /s

> All these artifacts survived literal millennia

Thousand of years, yes. Only some dinosaurs bones survived literal millennia.

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Post by mcv »

sillyfluke wrote: post #42
srean wrote: post #13

Count of Monte Cristo is also semi fictional. A few month's ago I started reading Three Musketeers again. I had forgotten how relentless and fast moving it is. Moving from one action set piece to the next from beginning to end. It is almost overpowering, literally had to catch my breadth before turning a page. I had forgotten how it was when I had read it as a kid.

A reminder that The Count of Monte Cristo is inspired by the mixed race father of the author, General Alexander Dumas, who also had a somewhat fascinating life riding currents of fate during the French revolution. The Black Count https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13330922-the-black-count

Thomas Alexandre Dumas is a fascinating character, not only because he rose from slavery to a general of Napoleon, but he was also a spectacular, real swashbuckler known for daring action.

I have no idea why there's still no big movie about him.

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Post by mcv »

nine_k wrote: post #30
srean wrote: post #13

Count of Monte Cristo is also semi fictional. A few month's ago I started reading Three Musketeers again. I had forgotten how relentless and fast moving it is. Moving from one action set piece to the next from beginning to end. It is almost overpowering, literally had to catch my breadth before turning a page. I had forgotten how it was when I had read it as a kid.

One of the best lines I read about "Three Musketeers" went approximately like so: "What do you do if your duty before your country, your military orders, your friendships, your love, and your honor all contradict each other beyond reconciliation?"

That sells it for me. It's on my reading list now.

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Post by sillyfluke »

mcv wrote: post #46
sillyfluke wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A reminder that The Count of Monte Cristo is inspired by the mixed race father of the author, General Alexander Dumas, who also had a somewhat fascinating life riding currents of fate during the French revolution. The Black Count https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13330922-the-black-count

Thomas Alexandre Dumas is a fascinating character, not only because he rose from slavery to a general of Napoleon, but he was also a spectacular, real swashbuckler known for daring action. I have no idea why there's still no big movie about him.

I'm relying on memory and it's a little pedantic, but did he actually ever experience life as a slave? His mother was a slave, but as I recall his deadbeat and slaveowner father accepted him as his son and introduced him to French society early on, but I'm not sure if he dragged his feet before doing so in the French colonies before returning to France.

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Post by ramses0 »

codechicago277 wrote: post #38
ramses0 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"""Hey ChatGPT, I've heard you make a good book club partner. I've just read [Three Musketeers|Count of Monte Cristo] and want to have a discussion about it. Ask me what I think before you tell me what you think, let's go!""" ...I read both of the books recently and it was illuminating to be able to near-instantly explore avenues of insight/criticism of both of the books. Three Musketeers matches fairly closely to Wi…

Not very popular to admit LLMs have uses, I’ve used it to recommend similar movies or books to ones I like. This is peak human to human sharing recommendations.

"""I have an idea for a movie club, where two movies with a tenuously connected theme are watched (separately) and then discussed. If you've seen the movies "XXX", and "YYY", tell me what is similar about them, what's different, what are some possible "connected themes" and who tackled the topic better?"""

...time passes...

"""Now that you understand the idea behind these pairings, recommend five more pairings, but don't give any hints as to their connections, just five bullet points with "A vs B" movie titles. Bonus points if there is at least a 10-year gap between them, and they are both not box-office blockbusters (but make sure they are slightly more popular or recognizable movies, not exclusively low-distribution non-critically-acclaimed indie movies)."""

* Children of Men vs Snowpiercer * Lost in Translation vs Frances Ha * No Country for Old Men vs Hell or High Water * The Prestige vs The Illusionist * Drive vs Nightcrawler

...I know guidance is "don't just post AI output", but this is specifically a human-to-human discussion around novel(?) ways to interact with AI/LLM's. I've found they're _really_ good at conceptual-venn-diagrams.

There's a book "Algorithms to Live By" (ie: look for matching socks via BFS/DFS or whatever). Asking the AI: "you know a bunch of algorithms, what are the top three that should have been in the book?" => "what are the weakest that could have been removed?"

Recently during performance reviews, we had to write our self-assessment and had guidance from on high like: "make sure you talk about people skills, technical skills, customer impact, etc." ...so yada yada: "I'm so amazing, I'm so great" => "Dear AI, I've been given this guidance `...`, please compare my handcrafted storytelling against the guidance `...` and tell me where I have missed covering a requirement" => "...now please give help w.r.t. simplifying or cleaning up the section on $INCREDIBLE_TECHNICAL_ACHIEVEMENT b/c I was focusing on describing my personal impact, but need help making it more digestible for others".

The combination of instant, tailored feedback and the fact that they've read the whole internet, "watched" every movie (read the script, read critics reviews, reddit, forum discussions, etc), read most published books, and that they're 80%+ plumbers, doctors, lawyers, car mechanics, etc. make them an unstoppable research assistant, especially when crossing connections that would normally be "expensive" to do so.

Example: ask a [doctor+lawyer+plumber] about the health and legal impacts of lead solder in pipes or whatever. Instead of needing to schedule 3 people's times, wait for them, pay them, etc, you can get instant "free" feedback, educate yourself, and then have a more solid foundation to branch out from there. Such incredibly useful tools!

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