Live data from Hacker News

Sports betting is everywhere, especially on credit reports

libertystreeteconomics.newyorkfed.org

41–50 of 54 posts

Re: Sports betting is everywhere, especially on credit reports

#41
post #26
post #2

0.5% increase in credit delinquency rates over 3 years feels... underwhelming. I'm not a gambler and I personally find gambling morally questionable and intellectually embarrassing, but golly I'm tired of sports gambling being pointed in a sort of "see, freedom doesn't work!" sort of way. 1% of people will ruin their lives no matter what society does to prevent it. If you have a gambling problem (if it even appeals t…

Percentage increases, and the phrase "X% more likely", are usually quite ambiguous. I wish more people would tell you whether they mean absolute or relative increases. E.g., if (numbers made up for example) 0.5% of the general population are delinquent in credit, but 1% of gamblers are delinquent, then you could report that as either a 0.5% increase (absolute) or a 100% increase (relative). Which one people choose of…

They used "percentage points" in the article which is the phrase for your "absolute" version. Personally, I would use "absolute" to be phrased as "just over 800,000 adult Americans"

Re: Sports betting is everywhere, especially on credit reports

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean…keep reading. For the affected population, it’s around 10 percentage points—or double. So people who sports bet are twice as likely to be delinquent as those who don’t. I’ll give you that the effect is smaller than I expected. Here’s the thing though…it’s not like that trend is slowing down. The finalization of prediction markets and continued normalization of betting as a pro-social behavior is currently head…

Sports betting is regulated, prediction markets aren't though. That's a pretty stark difference

In the US, the CFTC regulated prediction markets. They are more regulated (at a federal level) than gambling.

Re: Sports betting is everywhere, especially on credit reports

#43
post #25

I’m waiting for this to affect more young men from my country of Finland. Decades of a government monopoly on gambling was dismantled, and the market is being opened up for foreign companies buying licenses to operate. It feels like there is a global wave of reintroducing every ”vice” that was somehow curbed with laws and restrictions. Nicotine? Cigarettes were so expensive that young people didn’t even bother, until…

Nicotine is actually good for you (at least no worse than caffeine). It's all the other stuff in tar that's bad for you. And that part of the smoke is bad pretty much whatever you burn. Vaping avoids most of that.

Nicotine is far more addictive than caffeine.

Re: Sports betting is everywhere, especially on credit reports

#44
post #43
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nicotine is actually good for you (at least no worse than caffeine). It's all the other stuff in tar that's bad for you. And that part of the smoke is bad pretty much whatever you burn. Vaping avoids most of that.

Nicotine is far more addictive than caffeine.

Compare and contrast https://gwern.net/nicotine

Re: Sports betting is everywhere, especially on credit reports

#45
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, 'sports' itself is predatory and causes lots of young people to trash their health for the amusement of onlookers. I say 'sports' to mean the stuff people watch on TV and in stadiums. You going for a run or kicking a ball with friends is fine. It's audience-driven sports that are bad. A bit of betting is small fry by comparison.

A few thousand athletes making millions of dollars being amusements for onlookers vs tens of thousands of people ruining their financial lives from gambling

The hundred athletes making bank are the tip of the ugly iceberg. Most hopefuls destroy their health for next to nothing.

Re: Sports betting is everywhere, especially on credit reports

#46
post #29
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If it's going to be made legal, it needs to be justified, rather than there needing to be justification for making it illegal. Huh, why? > It was banned most everywhere, then with no public debate on the subject, much less consensus, all of a sudden it was legal and in your face wherever you went. They didn't change any laws, did they? So it was as legal earlier as it is now, isn't it? It's just that someone found…

> They didn't change any laws, did they? So it was as legal earlier as it is now, isn't it? It's just that someone found the right loophole that was always there. In the US, it was banned in most places until 2018. The Supreme Court invalidated the ban that had been in place until then.

> The Supreme Court invalidated the ban that had been in place until then.

The Supreme Court interprets existing law, don't they?

Re: Sports betting is everywhere, especially on credit reports

#47
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If it's going to be made legal, it needs to be justified, rather than there needing to be justification for making it illegal. Huh, why? > It was banned most everywhere, then with no public debate on the subject, much less consensus, all of a sudden it was legal and in your face wherever you went. They didn't change any laws, did they? So it was as legal earlier as it is now, isn't it? It's just that someone found…

> Huh, why? The opposite change was already justified, it would obviously be ridiculous to have to constantly rejustify every law in our society. > They didn't change any laws, did they? So it was as legal earlier as it is now, isn't it? It's just that someone found the right loophole that was always there. I do not know nor do I particularly care.

> The opposite change was already justified, it would obviously be ridiculous to have to constantly rejustify every law in our society.

They didn't change any laws.

Re: Sports betting is everywhere, especially on credit reports

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was banned most everywhere, then with no public debate on the subject, much less consensus, all of a sudden it was legal and in your face wherever you went. If it's going to be made legal, it needs to be justified, rather than there needing to be justification for making it illegal. I personally think it would have a high bar to overcome.

Here's the justification; it's my money and I'll spend it how I like

If I recall correctly, the ban wasn't on you betting with your friend group, but on casino accepting your bets.

Re: Sports betting is everywhere, especially on credit reports

#49
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the justification; it's my money and I'll spend it how I like

If I recall correctly, the ban wasn't on you betting with your friend group, but on casino accepting your bets.

So regulate it, don't ban it

Re: Sports betting is everywhere, especially on credit reports

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the justification; it's my money and I'll spend it how I like

We have many restrictions on what spend our money on. You can't buy illegal drugs, you can't pay someone to kill someone else. You can't buy many different substances without permission of the govt like certain explosives. Some states have limits on buying (or using) lockpicking tools (often called pick lock tools in the law) unless you have certain permissions, like being an active locksmith. So we have limits on wh…

Those restrictions are morally wrong other than the one about murder
Post reply on HN