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They’re vibe-coding spam now

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Re: They’re vibe-coding spam now

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Post by qsera »

craftkiller wrote: post #22
qsera wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why something like this exists natively on phones. If someone calls from an unknown number, they get some sort of captcha to prove that they are a human, or they matter is important. For example, the message should say that, if you are geniune, then please call again after 1 minute..

That already exists, it's "voicemail". The scammers never leave a voice mail (idk why). If a real person is trying to reach you, they'll either leave a voice mail or text you after you don't pick up.

But voicemail implies storing the audio somewhere, and that means cost.

And at least in my country one should explicitly enable voicemail. I never could make it work for some reason..

And as far as I can see, it is not widely used.

EDIT: Oh, I completely missed the fact that there can be a fake voicemail where the phone automatically answers and asks the caller to speak and record it and store the audio on the phone itself. Then the user can check such recorded messages later..

Did you mean something like that? I am really surprised that this is not common already...

Re: They’re vibe-coding spam now

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Post by user_7832 »

sudo_cowsay wrote: post #28

But is this something new? Wasn't using AI for scamming around for a long time? Scammers started using LLMs to write fishing emails, then scammers started generating images, then they started using AI to vibe code it. Its just a natural progression. From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47435156 , we can know that India has a ~70% positive view on AI. While scammers likely didn't fill out the survey, it shows the…

> it shows the general view on AI from where most scammers work from and live.

Got any citation on that? From what I've seen, the vaat majority of scams are targeted at other Indians. The government runs a significant number of cyber awareness programs nowadays; don't think they appreciate scammers.

Re: They’re vibe-coding spam now

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Post by Cider9986 »

joecasson wrote: post #26
Cider9986 wrote: post #18

At this point, if you give out your email and not aliases; it is on YOU.

Did you read the article? It was about how the spam is less interesting now when the person had typically enjoyed reading spam emails.

"Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that"." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: They’re vibe-coding spam now

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Post by leviathant »

SchemaLoad wrote: post #31
integralid wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That theory was always bunk. People just can't comprehend, that the average spammer really is that bad. So that theory was created to make sense of that. Because of my work I investigated a lot of spam, and I discovered real life identities of senders in many cases (because of horrible or no exostent opsec). Most of them were either underage, lived in third world countries, or both.

Scams got sophisticated a while ago where they would exactly replicate things like password reset emails and such including a whole fake replica website that looks identical to the real one. I saw someone fall for one recently where a scammer had created a fake announcement from an email sending company stating they were adding political messages to the bottom of your sent emails, and to log in to opt out. The look a…

Once or twice, I've clicked through on a link in an email that was convincing enough to fool me, and what saved me both times was that I run NoScript.

It's so frustrating just standing by and watching as we descend into a low-trust society.

Re: They’re vibe-coding spam now

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Post by eucyclos »

shusaku wrote: post #29

For years I’ve read people claim that the reason spam emails were low quality was to filter for idiots. If the spammers are now reaching for coding agents to clean up the presentation, it seems that theory was bunk.

The reason you'd want to filter for idiots is that a smarter person would waste the scammer's time when they figure out it's a scam after some human interaction. If the ai can take you all the way to the close, there's no reason to filter any more.

Re: They’re vibe-coding spam now

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Post by Daz912 »

eucyclos wrote: post #48
shusaku wrote: post #29

For years I’ve read people claim that the reason spam emails were low quality was to filter for idiots. If the spammers are now reaching for coding agents to clean up the presentation, it seems that theory was bunk.

The reason you'd want to filter for idiots is that a smarter person would waste the scammer's time when they figure out it's a scam after some human interaction. If the ai can take you all the way to the close, there's no reason to filter any more.

Scammers have no shortage of time to communicate with potential victims.
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