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Tom Homan confirms ICE to be at airports starting Monday

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Re: Tom Homan confirms ICE to be at airports starting Monday

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Post by spindleworld »

gsnedders wrote: post #38
ryandrake wrote: post #3

How do they justify Immigration and Customs enforcement working domestic flights and departures in general? Isn't ICE's scope supposed to be limited to what/who is coming into the country from foreign countries? Of course, that's a rhetorical question. When you're an autocrat, you do not need to justify your actions.

ICE’s scope isn’t who is coming into the country — that’s CBP’s scope. ICE’s scope is supposed to be those committing immigration offences who have already entered the country (either because the CBP failed to catch them, or because they were admitted but never left). The only difficulty justifying this is ICE’s power to stop and question people, and an airport is no different to a random street from that point of vi…

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Re: Tom Homan confirms ICE to be at airports starting Monday

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Post by general1465 »

gsnedders wrote: post #38
ryandrake wrote: post #3

How do they justify Immigration and Customs enforcement working domestic flights and departures in general? Isn't ICE's scope supposed to be limited to what/who is coming into the country from foreign countries? Of course, that's a rhetorical question. When you're an autocrat, you do not need to justify your actions.

ICE’s scope isn’t who is coming into the country — that’s CBP’s scope. ICE’s scope is supposed to be those committing immigration offences who have already entered the country (either because the CBP failed to catch them, or because they were admitted but never left). The only difficulty justifying this is ICE’s power to stop and question people, and an airport is no different to a random street from that point of vi…

> And once you have probable cause, you run into the problem 8 USC 1304(e) creates: someone who doesn’t have documentation proving their legal immigration status falls into one of two categories, they’re either a citizen, or they’re an immigrant violating that section.

So hopefully if you are tourist from abroad, CBP will give you stamp into your passport, otherwise you have entered "illegally". They are not always stamping passports.

Re: Tom Homan confirms ICE to be at airports starting Monday

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Post by paulddraper »

general1465 wrote: post #42
gsnedders wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ICE’s scope isn’t who is coming into the country — that’s CBP’s scope. ICE’s scope is supposed to be those committing immigration offences who have already entered the country (either because the CBP failed to catch them, or because they were admitted but never left). The only difficulty justifying this is ICE’s power to stop and question people, and an airport is no different to a random street from that point of vi…

> And once you have probable cause, you run into the problem 8 USC 1304(e) creates: someone who doesn’t have documentation proving their legal immigration status falls into one of two categories, they’re either a citizen, or they’re an immigrant violating that section. So hopefully if you are tourist from abroad, CBP will give you stamp into your passport, otherwise you have entered "illegally". They are not always s…

Isn’t the stamp necessary?

Under what circumstances would they not?

Re: Tom Homan confirms ICE to be at airports starting Monday

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Post by apothegm »

paulddraper wrote: post #40
mullingitover wrote: post #35

Seems like a big own-goal for the administration to inject an agency which (according to polls[1]) is quite broadly hated into the daily lives of millions. Politically they're just going from failure (immigration policy broadly considered a failure) to failure (starting a new forever war in the middle east is universally hated) to failure (this). It's no wonder they're trying to burn the election system to the ground…

How did they get elected?

Misinformation, low voter turnout, and an electoral system that massively over-represents people living in areas of low population density and underrepresents those living in areas of high population density.

That’s ignoring any possibility of interference with insecure voting or tallying computers.

Re: Tom Homan confirms ICE to be at airports starting Monday

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Post by general1465 »

paulddraper wrote: post #43
general1465 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And once you have probable cause, you run into the problem 8 USC 1304(e) creates: someone who doesn’t have documentation proving their legal immigration status falls into one of two categories, they’re either a citizen, or they’re an immigrant violating that section. So hopefully if you are tourist from abroad, CBP will give you stamp into your passport, otherwise you have entered "illegally". They are not always s…

Isn’t the stamp necessary? Under what circumstances would they not?

CBP is doing it electronically for quite some time, as they can see your date of entry in the system and they are not controlling your date of leave against passport when you are leaving USA (you won't even meet CBP at that stage), but it is all checked electronically.

Last time I got stamped. But it seems like an exception than a rule.

https://www.swlaw.com/publication/immigration-alert-cbp-elim...

I can already see myself arguing with ICE officer that CBP is not stamping passport for years.

Re: Tom Homan confirms ICE to be at airports starting Monday

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Post by Schmerika »

paulddraper wrote: post #40
mullingitover wrote: post #35

Seems like a big own-goal for the administration to inject an agency which (according to polls[1]) is quite broadly hated into the daily lives of millions. Politically they're just going from failure (immigration policy broadly considered a failure) to failure (starting a new forever war in the middle east is universally hated) to failure (this). It's no wonder they're trying to burn the election system to the ground…

How did they get elected?

Democrats funded, armed and protected a live-streamed genocide so horrific that roughly a third of their own hard-core base (Biden 2020 voters) couldn't bring themselves to vote for Harris, even in a close race against Trump [0].

There are other reasons Dems lost, also important. Still, genocide remains the blazing neon-red 12-ton elephant in the room. And there seems to be absolutely no sign of owning that fact, which means that no lessons will be learned or policies changed.

0 - https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling

Re: Tom Homan confirms ICE to be at airports starting Monday

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Post by mullingitover »

paulddraper wrote: post #40
mullingitover wrote: post #35

Seems like a big own-goal for the administration to inject an agency which (according to polls[1]) is quite broadly hated into the daily lives of millions. Politically they're just going from failure (immigration policy broadly considered a failure) to failure (starting a new forever war in the middle east is universally hated) to failure (this). It's no wonder they're trying to burn the election system to the ground…

How did they get elected?

You could blame the backing of the richest oligarchs in the world, you could blame a morally bankrupt culture amongst a large chunk of the electorate, but at the end of the day it was a very tight race and there was a global wave of incumbent losses[1], regardless of the incumbent party's position.

Between 2021 and 2024 the world went on a rollercoaster ride. Pandemic economic stimulus made everyone feel rich in 2021, and then harsh monetary tightening led to everyone feeling like their world was collapsing in 2024. They punished whoever was in charge at the time.

[1] https://www.visionofhumanity.org/2024-the-year-incumbent-gov...

Re: Tom Homan confirms ICE to be at airports starting Monday

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Post by selectodude »

paulddraper wrote: post #39
Buttons840 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ICE has a lot of funding, more than some branches of the military. This demonstrates they see ICE as their fix all police force, and that they are willing to deploy ICE to do whatever they think needs to be done.

ICE is $11B. Coast Guard is $14B.

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Re: Tom Homan confirms ICE to be at airports starting Monday

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Post by altairprime »

apothegm wrote: post #44
paulddraper wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did they get elected?

Misinformation, low voter turnout, and an electoral system that massively over-represents people living in areas of low population density and underrepresents those living in areas of high population density. That’s ignoring any possibility of interference with insecure voting or tallying computers.

Don’t forget racism. This administration got elected in large part because they are openly racist, delivering outcomes at a velocity that ‘Southern’ dog-whistle deniability doesn’t allow for those that do, for whatever reason, want to continue having positive or neutral reputation with those opposed to racism (which includes half of U.S. women, or more if you limit to those younger than 30) while also benefiting personally from racism’s privileges to them and their families.
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