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OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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Post by refulgentis »

Oarch wrote: post #33
AlienRobot wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For example?

It would probably depend on the target audience. I was very impressed by Anthropic's swarm of agents building a C compiler earlier this year with 1000 PRs per hour. Easy to nitpick that it wasn't perfect, but it sure was impressive.

Right. Pretty impressive.

What percentage of people will think that’s life changing?

Because then we’re not talking about “can everyone up their demos to life changing, please?”, we’re talking about “can everyone use demos Oarch thinks are life changing, please?” - and “can build a MVP C compiler draft that barely works for $XXK” isn’t really that compelling to me, and we’re both software engineers, and my whole day job has been an agentic coder for…2.5 years?…now. My incentive structure and demographics are lined up perfectly to agree with you, but I don’t :/

Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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Post by kbenson »

ForHackernews wrote: post #30
Oarch wrote: post #17

Responding to the tweet quoted in the article: why are the examples given of futuristic capabilities always so visionless - it's always booking a flight or scheduling a meeting. Doing this manually is already pretty trivial, it's more productivity theatre than genuinely life-changing. There are real, impressive examples of the power of agentic flows out there. Can we up the quality of our examples just a bit?

The dream of the middle class IT drone is to become the executive Office Man: he shouts at his PA and she books his flights. Now AI can provide a simulacrum of his fondest aspiration, to be too important to click through booking.com and make someone else do it for him.

Well, I've taken to describing the best responsible use of AI to help your work as though you have an executive assistant, so I can see why people would come to that conclusion. I don't tend to think of booking flights for that though, I tend to think of asking them to gather information and present it to me so I can review it for whether it's appropriate to include, probably with changes, in whatever I'm working on. Perhaps an executive assistant isn't the right term for that, or perhaps it's just that different people and different industries have vastly different ideas of how to make use of an executive assistant. I don't know enough to answer that.

Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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Post by zer00eyz »

> In 2025, the number of data compromises in the United States stood at 3,322 cases. Meanwhile, over 278.83 million individuals were affected in the same year by data compromises, including data breaches, leakage, and exposure. While these are three different events, they have one thing in common. As a result of all three incidents, the sensitive data is accessed by an unauthorized threat actor.

Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/273550/data-breaches-rec...

Between the number of public hacks, and the odious security policies that most orgs have, end users are fucking numb to anything involving "security". We're telling them to close the door cause it's cold, when all the windows are blown out by a tornado.

Meanwhile, the people who are using this tool are getting it to DO WHAT THEY WANT. My ex, is non technical, and is excited that she "set up her first cron job".

The other "daily summaries" use case is powerful. Why? Because our industry has foisted off years of enshitification on users. It declutters the inbox. It returns text free of ads, adblock, extra "are you a human" windows, captchas.

The same users who think "ai is garbage at my work" are the ones who are saying "ai is good at stripping out bullshit from tech".

Meanwhile we're arguing about AI hype (sam Altman: AGI promises) and hate (AI cant code at all).

The last time our industry got things this wrong, was the dot com bubble.

Meanwhile none of these tools have a moat (Claude is the closest and it could get dethroned every day). And we're pouring capital into this that will result in an uber like price hike/rug pull, till we scale the tools down (and that is becoming more viable).

Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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Post by mjr00 »

Oarch wrote: post #17

Responding to the tweet quoted in the article: why are the examples given of futuristic capabilities always so visionless - it's always booking a flight or scheduling a meeting. Doing this manually is already pretty trivial, it's more productivity theatre than genuinely life-changing. There are real, impressive examples of the power of agentic flows out there. Can we up the quality of our examples just a bit?

> why are the examples given of futuristic capabilities always so visionless - it's always booking a flight or scheduling a meeting.

This AI wave is filled with "ideas guys/gals" who thought they had an amazing awesome idea and if only they knew how to program they could make a best-selling billion dollar idea, being confronted with the reality that their ideas are really uninteresting as well.

They're still happy to write blog posts about how their bleeding-edge Claw setup sends them a push notification whenever someone comments on one of their LinkedIn posts, though.

Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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Post by bitwize »

ForHackernews wrote: post #30
Oarch wrote: post #17

Responding to the tweet quoted in the article: why are the examples given of futuristic capabilities always so visionless - it's always booking a flight or scheduling a meeting. Doing this manually is already pretty trivial, it's more productivity theatre than genuinely life-changing. There are real, impressive examples of the power of agentic flows out there. Can we up the quality of our examples just a bit?

The dream of the middle class IT drone is to become the executive Office Man: he shouts at his PA and she books his flights. Now AI can provide a simulacrum of his fondest aspiration, to be too important to click through booking.com and make someone else do it for him.

Been a middle-class IT drone much of my adult life. This is not my dream. In fact I just realized that one reason I don't like AI dev tools is because they turn me into the kind of dickhead manager I despise: one who doesn't understand the code or the nature of the work involved, just gives orders on what needs to be built and complains when it doesn't work.

Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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Post by gum_wobble »

usui wrote: post #26
Oarch wrote: post #17

Responding to the tweet quoted in the article: why are the examples given of futuristic capabilities always so visionless - it's always booking a flight or scheduling a meeting. Doing this manually is already pretty trivial, it's more productivity theatre than genuinely life-changing. There are real, impressive examples of the power of agentic flows out there. Can we up the quality of our examples just a bit?

Have you seen how bad flight booking sites can get? I've had to download airline apps a majority of the time because the website failed to finish payment properly. I don't think we should call presentations visionless or fault them for wanting to solve this UX nightmare.

So the solution to bad design and enshittification is to have an horde of agents to throw at tasks now?

Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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Post by refulgentis »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #36
usui wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you seen how bad flight booking sites can get? I've had to download airline apps a majority of the time because the website failed to finish payment properly. I don't think we should call presentations visionless or fault them for wanting to solve this UX nightmare.

That is never happened to me once.

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Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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Post by dawnerd »

usui wrote: post #26
Oarch wrote: post #17

Responding to the tweet quoted in the article: why are the examples given of futuristic capabilities always so visionless - it's always booking a flight or scheduling a meeting. Doing this manually is already pretty trivial, it's more productivity theatre than genuinely life-changing. There are real, impressive examples of the power of agentic flows out there. Can we up the quality of our examples just a bit?

Have you seen how bad flight booking sites can get? I've had to download airline apps a majority of the time because the website failed to finish payment properly. I don't think we should call presentations visionless or fault them for wanting to solve this UX nightmare.

And this sounds like something you absolutely wouldn’t want an ai agent trying to figure out.

Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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Post by AlienRobot »

Oarch wrote: post #33
AlienRobot wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For example?

It would probably depend on the target audience. I was very impressed by Anthropic's swarm of agents building a C compiler earlier this year with 1000 PRs per hour. Easy to nitpick that it wasn't perfect, but it sure was impressive.

How many C compilers do we need...
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