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Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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post #34

Is it really surprising she was fired? It's completely okay to say whatever you want and stand up for yourself, but you are not a child, own the consequences rather than whine

The NLRB alleges that “the consequences” she faced are illegal under Federal law.

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“What’s up Outragers, just dialing in from my NBA team’s headquarters to yell at the people whose careers I’ve just pummeled,” Unterwurzacher wrote. Atlassian fired her a few days later, saying she had “engaged in acrimonious communications and ad hominem attacks against teammates and colleagues.” Unterwurzacher replied, “I think it’s difficult to point out the power imbalance in a way that is not potentially describ…

I don't see it. What part of her satire was off the mark? it was entirely factual.

If you can't take such a gentle ribbing from people you've potentially just fired, you shouldn't be CEO, because you can't control your emotions in the simplest way.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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post #34

Is it really surprising she was fired? It's completely okay to say whatever you want and stand up for yourself, but you are not a child, own the consequences rather than whine

Wouldn't she have the excuse of truth as defense?

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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post #34

Is it really surprising she was fired? It's completely okay to say whatever you want and stand up for yourself, but you are not a child, own the consequences rather than whine

"Why are you surprised" is such a common format of weasel-phrase, which is mysterious because it's so plainly fallacious. Just because something is predictable doesn't mean it's acceptable.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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post #34

Is it really surprising she was fired? It's completely okay to say whatever you want and stand up for yourself, but you are not a child, own the consequences rather than whine

No using the legal process if you think your company is violating the law is also part of "stand up for yourself". If a rich guy can't take some minor criticism maybe he's the whiner.

This assumes that you think people operate on principles. As the years go on, it feels that people in the top seem to mostly operate on money.

The CEO has money and the power to fire that person if the employee is disliked. Maybe that shouldn't be a thing, maybe it should be illegal, but they'll find a way around it. Just because they can means that they will.

I wish it wasn't like that but that's how I see things are happening these days, save for perhaps a few nuances here and there.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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post #4

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> Both sides should be able to end employment for any reason whatsoever. (Excluding covered reasons like racism, sexism etc). I’m not sure why the labor board is involved here.

companies have legal duties to enforce code of conduct they established. It happened that Attlassian adapted freedom of speech in its code, and also likely non-retaliation policy, so there is some ground for law enforcement.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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The best email I ever received was a notification my company was moving off Jira. Atlassian’s own stated philosophy is “Open Company, No Bullshit”. I wish that was true. Maybe they would have better products.

Tell me a sad story in three words: We Use Jira.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The techbro crowd has no use for the humanities.

Or empathy (Musk) or introspection (Andreessen). None of those things are necessary and could prove to be detriment when you are grinding in the bitmines.

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Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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post #41
post #34

Is it really surprising she was fired? It's completely okay to say whatever you want and stand up for yourself, but you are not a child, own the consequences rather than whine

The NLRB alleges that “the consequences” she faced are illegal under Federal law.

That doesn't mean they are, in fact, illegal. The NLRB alleges a lot of things - the courts will decide.
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