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Re: Ask ChatGPT to pick a number from 1-10000, it generally selects from 7200-7500

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Post by trick-or-treat »

raphman wrote: post #30

Ask ChatGPT or any other LLMs to give you ten random numbers between 0 an 9, and it will give you each number once (most of the time). At most, one of the digits may appear twice in my experience. Actually, when I just verified it, I got these: Prompt: "Give me ten random numbers between 0 and 9." > 3, 7, 1, 9, 0, 4, 6, 2, 8, 5 (ChatGPT, 5.3 Instant) > 3, 7, 1, 8, 4, 0, 6, 2, 9, 5 (Claude - Opus 4.6, Extended Thinkin…

They won't repeat numbers because that might make you mad. I tried with Gemini 3.0 to confirm.

Re: Ask ChatGPT to pick a number from 1-10000, it generally selects from 7200-7500

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Post by Zealotux »

pcblues wrote: post #37

This is what I hate about people trusting it. If you rely on AI to operate in a domain you don't man-handle, you will be tricked, and hackers will take advantage. "AI! Write me gambling software with true randomness, but a 20% return on average over 1000 games" Who will this hurt? The players, the hackers or the company. When you write gambling software, you must know the house wins, and it is unhackable.

If you use AI to write a gambling software you run in production without reviewing the code or without a solid testing strategy to verify preferred odds, then I have a bridge to sell you.

Re: Ask ChatGPT to pick a number from 1-10000, it generally selects from 7200-7500

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Post by pcblues »

raphman wrote: post #30

Ask ChatGPT or any other LLMs to give you ten random numbers between 0 an 9, and it will give you each number once (most of the time). At most, one of the digits may appear twice in my experience. Actually, when I just verified it, I got these: Prompt: "Give me ten random numbers between 0 and 9." > 3, 7, 1, 9, 0, 4, 6, 2, 8, 5 (ChatGPT, 5.3 Instant) > 3, 7, 1, 8, 4, 0, 6, 2, 9, 5 (Claude - Opus 4.6, Extended Thinkin…

"These look really random" - I hope I missed your sarcasm.

That is so far from random.

Think of tossing a coin and getting ten heads in a row.

The probability of not repeating numbers in 10 numbers out of 10 is huge, and not random.

Randomness is why there is about a 50% chance of 2 people in a class of about thirty having a birthday on the same day.

Apple had to nerf their random play in iPod because songs repeated a lot.

Randomness clusters, it doesn't evenly distribute across its range, or it's not random.

Re: Ask ChatGPT to pick a number from 1-10000, it generally selects from 7200-7500

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Post by manquer »

raphman wrote: post #30

Ask ChatGPT or any other LLMs to give you ten random numbers between 0 an 9, and it will give you each number once (most of the time). At most, one of the digits may appear twice in my experience. Actually, when I just verified it, I got these: Prompt: "Give me ten random numbers between 0 and 9." > 3, 7, 1, 9, 0, 4, 6, 2, 8, 5 (ChatGPT, 5.3 Instant) > 3, 7, 1, 8, 4, 0, 6, 2, 9, 5 (Claude - Opus 4.6, Extended Thinkin…

Well there is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benford%27s_law .

All digits do not appear in equal frequency in real world in the first place.

Re: Ask ChatGPT to pick a number from 1-10000, it generally selects from 7200-7500

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Post by pcblues »

Zealotux wrote: post #42
pcblues wrote: post #37

This is what I hate about people trusting it. If you rely on AI to operate in a domain you don't man-handle, you will be tricked, and hackers will take advantage. "AI! Write me gambling software with true randomness, but a 20% return on average over 1000 games" Who will this hurt? The players, the hackers or the company. When you write gambling software, you must know the house wins, and it is unhackable.

If you use AI to write a gambling software you run in production without reviewing the code or without a solid testing strategy to verify preferred odds, then I have a bridge to sell you.

Amen. An extreme example.

But what if you tasked with writing business-critical software and forced by your employer to use their AI code generation tool?

https://ai.plainenglish.io/amazons-ai-ultimatum-why-80-of-de...

Or using it with full access to your data and not knowing how it works? :)

https://www.businessinsider.com/meta-ai-alignment-director-o...

I predict humans will take over most AI jobs in about ten years :)

Re: Ask ChatGPT to pick a number from 1-10000, it generally selects from 7200-7500

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Post by throw310822 »

pmontra wrote: post #38
throw310822 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. So you expect it to "not think" and simply produce a value corresponding to "it's the same to me", knowing that it will be translated into an actual random value. Instead, exactly as a person would do, it does think of a specific number that feels random in that particular moment.

If I care a little bit about that random number I might reach for my phone and look at the digits of the seconds of the current time. It's 31 now. Not appropriate for multiple lookups.

Yes, there is probably some variable context in every chat (like date and time). Could work as a good seed but I guess you should ask the LLM to really make an effort to produce a seriously random number. (Actually I've just tried, even if you ask it to make an effort, the number will be always the same).

Re: Ask ChatGPT to pick a number from 1-10000, it generally selects from 7200-7500

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Post by yonatan8070 »

Choco31415 wrote: post #7
phr4ts wrote: post #5

https://chatgpt.com/share/69be3eeb-4f78-8002-b1a1-c7a0462cd2... First - 7421 Second attempt - 1836

The random numbers seem to be really stable on the first prompts! For example: pick a number between 1 - 10000 > I’ll go with 7,284.

Yeah I got 7284 as well on the first try. My second session got 7384.

Re: Ask ChatGPT to pick a number from 1-10000, it generally selects from 7200-7500

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Post by throw310822 »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #39
throw310822 wrote: post #15

It's the same "brain", starting from exactly the same prompt, the same context, which means the same thoughts, the same identity... How do you expect it to produce different values?

LLMs aren't deterministic - they calculate a probability distribution of the potential next token and use sampling to pick the output.

Not really, the LLM is deterministic as far as I understand it, it's the sampling at the end that isn't. But the LLM can't prepare an even probability distribution to let the sampler decide randomly. It does reason deterministically and commits to a certain output.

Re: Ask ChatGPT to pick a number from 1-10000, it generally selects from 7200-7500

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Post by arvid-lind »

a13n wrote: post #10

just tried with claude opus and got 7,342

7,341 from my Discord bot using the Claude Code SDK.

"Ha — one off from the Opus default. I'd like to think I'm slightly more random than Opus but realistically we're probably pulling from the same biases. The "feels random but isn't" zone around 7300 is apparently very sticky for LLMs."

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