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Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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I know I'm going to get destroyed for this, but: 1) It's the current Iranian state has always been at war. They are at war with "the little Satan" (Israel) and "the Big Satan" (US). I know this sounds like a joke but they're absolutely 100% serious. Serious enough to organize massacres ("terrorism") on unrelated individuals, like the Argentina bombing in the beginning and the Hezbollah massacres in Syria just last ye…

1) Yes, clearly Iran is run by extremist zealots who are horrifyingly committed to their cause. I don't think any reasonable person disagrees with this. To invert my original comment, 'Eurasia has always been at war with Oceania,' right? But that doesn't mean that indiscriminately bombing them is a coherent military strategy. Nor is it leading to the mass civilian uprising that was clearly hoped for. 2) I think the m…

1) you implied that the US is perpetually at war and Iran is not, my argument was that it's literally the exact opposite. In fact, let me point out, it's even worse than that. Of the 2 or 3 superpowers that exist, the US is by far the most peaceful one, in fact it's the only one that ISN'T perpetually at war.

For the last 10 years, Russia has been at war with Ukraine, and China has been at war, meaning regular kinetic exchanges with ... everyone really. Especially Taiwan, but also Korea, the Philippines, Japan, Vietnam, and, perhaps surprisingly, Russia. In the last 10 years the US has not had any war, and I'm betting everyone kind of understands that compared to Russia's war, the US war with Iran is not even at the level Russia would call a "war". Not even remotely close. If exchanging missiles and long-range drones to and from ships counts, Russia has been at war with the northern and southeastern countries of the EU for pretty much a decade (meaning both the East Sea with Finland/Denmark/Poland/Sweden... and Turkey + Mediterranean countries on the other side)

And yet, somehow people seem to be convinced of almost the exact opposite of the facts.

Oh and the propaganda both the extreme right and the extreme left in the EU, as well as state media in Russia, are spreading is that the EU is attacking Russia (not the US, that is not a typo, that the EU is attacking Russia), even separately from the Ukraine war. That is the main factor why EU countries are so convinced Russia is close to a large scale attack on the EU. And it also of course means that at least Russia does not care in the slightest who is a threat to them and who isn't. They only care who they perceive as weak. Frankly, the same goes for Iran. Iran is not remotely threatened by the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kuwait or Qatar, and yet they're attacking all of them (they're even attacking Saudi Arabia with land forces by the way)

2) As to your second point, Iran was constantly attacking oil facilities pretty much their entire existence, if you include tankers, for at least 40 years, it was just constant. It was "normal", and barely reported. When it comes to land-based infrastructure attacked things heated up and cooled down, but never cooled down fully.

The US defended everyone, and the tankers, and by defended I mean we blew the hell out of Iranians, usually sinking boats, occasionally going after fixed installations. I don't think you're going to find many US Navy sailors surprised at what's happened.

Outside of that here is a list of attacks on gulf state energy infrastructure, just the last 6 years. You may notice that either by the location or the associations (e.g. Houthi attacks) it's always been Iran doing the attacks since Saddam Hussein left, with the occasional shot in the other direction. I couldn't find a good recent example, but actually it's not just Israel shooting and fighting back, but also Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. Iran isn't even at peace with the Taliban.

May 2019: sabotage of oil tankers near Fujairah in the UAE.

May 2019: drone strike on Saudi Arabia’s East-West pipeline pumping stations.

September 2019: the huge strike on Abqaiq and Khurais in Saudi Arabia, which temporarily knocked out more than half of Saudi output.

November 2020: attack on Aramco’s North Jeddah Bulk Plant.

March 2021: attempted strike on Ras Tanura and related Saudi energy targets.

March 2021: attack on the Jeddah petroleum products distribution plant.

November 2021: another Houthi claim of attacks on Aramco facilities in Jeddah.

March 2022: attacks on Saudi energy facilities, including Jeddah storage tanks.

March 25, 2022: Saudi Jeddah petroleum products distribution/storage site attacked.

June 14, 2025: Israeli strike on a Tehran fuel depot and refinery.

June 16, 2025: Iranian attack shut down Israel’s Haifa refinery.

March 2, 2026: drone attack on Saudi Ras Tanura refinery.

March 18, 2026: strike on Iran’s South Pars / Asaluyeh gas facilities.

March 18–19, 2026: Iranian retaliatory attacks on Ras Laffan in Qatar, SAMREF/Yanbu in Saudi Arabia, Mina al-Ahmadi and Mina Abdullah in Kuwait, and UAE energy sites including Habshan/Bab.

March 19, 2026: another strike affecting Israel’s Haifa refinery.

Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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The endgame is a wasteland of miserable neighbours that Israel can control, occupy and plunder without encountering any resistance. As for the US, they are not in control of their own actions, they're a puppet moved by Israel.

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Occupying, expanding, and killing does tend to radicalize your surviving neighbors.

I mourn the innocents on both sides

Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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post #41

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1) Yes, clearly Iran is run by extremist zealots who are horrifyingly committed to their cause. I don't think any reasonable person disagrees with this. To invert my original comment, 'Eurasia has always been at war with Oceania,' right? But that doesn't mean that indiscriminately bombing them is a coherent military strategy. Nor is it leading to the mass civilian uprising that was clearly hoped for. 2) I think the m…

1) you implied that the US is perpetually at war and Iran is not, my argument was that it's literally the exact opposite. In fact, let me point out, it's even worse than that. Of the 2 or 3 superpowers that exist, the US is by far the most peaceful one, in fact it's the only one that ISN'T perpetually at war. For the last 10 years, Russia has been at war with Ukraine, and China has been at war, meaning regular kineti…

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Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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Well, Isreal has already destroyed several of their neighbors. Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Gaza, now Iran. Infact, Israel was born out of extreme and mass violence (1948). I would be fearful too... maybe its time for peace?

Keep in mind that the middle east tensions started way before Israel. Sykes-Picot Agreement (1916) was a ham-fisted map re-draw, disregarded ethnic, religious, and tribal realities, contributing to long-standing conflicts.

I know it's fun the blame all the regional strife on the jews, but the facts don't support it.

Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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Well, Isreal has already destroyed several of their neighbors. Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Gaza, now Iran. Infact, Israel was born out of extreme and mass violence (1948). I would be fearful too... maybe its time for peace?

insanity!

No doubt, imagine if it were true!

Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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Why is this flagged?

Probably because it's 'political' news — but I don't think this is political as such. The Pentagon is (or should be) an inherently non-political government agency. @dang curious on your thoughts here though.

Politics has always been a lame excuse. If there's an article shitting on California's politics, it doesn't get flagged and there is no talk about "no politics on HN". Just tons of "California Bad" posts. If there's an article praising something political in Austin, TX. Same thing. No complaints about politics. Lots of posts about "California Bad". It's almost like the problem isn't politics. But the "politics" a certain segment of HN doesn't like.

Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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I agree with what you just said except, the leadership structure in Iran is absolutely not “decapitated”. There is a loooooooooooooooooooooong queue to pick up the torch.

To make the analogy much more gruesome, I guess you could say the the ears and nose have been cut off, but the head remains.

I think it’s just business as usual, except the USA is losing their wars quickly, not slowly.

Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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post #30

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I know I'm going to get destroyed for this, but: 1) It's the current Iranian state has always been at war. They are at war with "the little Satan" (Israel) and "the Big Satan" (US). I know this sounds like a joke but they're absolutely 100% serious. Serious enough to organize massacres ("terrorism") on unrelated individuals, like the Argentina bombing in the beginning and the Hezbollah massacres in Syria just last ye…

My understanding is that its Israel that is in endless war. Their state was birthed in 1948 by war and violence and they have been at war with their neighbors ever since. First it was the Arab states. When they made peace, they then pivoted to Iran and made them their enemy. Before this, Iran was a very pro western country (and we all know the historical lead up to this). The question is, how do we get Israel out of…

Can I just be cynical about such a stupid question? Obviously you're ignoring which side is attacking. But due to muslim tactics, it is easy. UN has rules about declaring war and peace that all countries (including Iran) have agreed to uphold, and muslims have a tradition of lying with peace treaties (you see, apparently some prophet did that, so it's a bit of a religious tradition). And I mean actually using peace treaties as tools for deception, ie. lying. I'm not saying nobody else does that, Russia and China certainly have the same habit, but they do too.

So because they lie anyway, muslims will very quickly declare peace ... and then attack again. As I said, not exactly a new thing, that. Iran falsely declared peace with Israel (due to the Iraq war) before the Arab nations did. Iran even betrayed the Palestinians and the Soviets for that peace treaty. They never had any intention on following through on the agreement to Israel either, of course.

So can I ask: do you believe in international law? Because either international law works and Israel is at peace. In fact Israel is currently at peace. Iran has not declared war on them, and Palestinians have declared peace and signed a peace treaty ...

Or international law doesn't really exist, and any kind of diplomacy with Palestinians has no point. Because any agreement from their side, whether signed or not ... isn't worth the paper it's written on. Same with Iran's regime.

Of course Palestinians have already violated the treaties where they declared that peace. Oh and not just violated it. Because there's violating a peace treaty and then there is putting out press releases saying you're proudly violating the peace treaty, while committing a massacre on Palestinians. Hamas likes to take such a drastically stupid approach, then wonder why Israel keeps reading their exact intentions so very, very, very well.

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/26/hamas-must-disarm-t...

(oh here's Hamas proudly declaring they're violating the peace treaty, while committing yet another massacre against Palestinians: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjr034p5prlo, and here again: https://www.algemeiner.com/2026/01/29/hamas-doubles-down-ref... ... and again: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/khaled-mashaal-... )

Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

#49
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They have a heavy dependence on imported crude from the middle east, and their alternative sources like pipelines from russia do not have enough to cover them, their domestic resources are max tapped and thier strategic supply cannot last for an extended period.

Which will resume trading in Yuan. Anyone who bends the knee, will get to buy oil. But not the US, and not in dollars. Serious 20D chess, it’s so genius it’s incomprehensible.

doesnt matter what its trading in, you need to be able to physically move the goods.

Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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To put this into perspective, the US provided Ukraine with $64.62bn of military aid and $50.72bn of humanitarian and financial support in the four years between January 2022 and December 2025.

And that is to hold off an invasion against a nuclear superpower neighbor
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