The healthcare industry, especially in the US, isn't interested in finding cures for disease. It's interested in maximizing profits, which is a goal that the bureaucracy serves.
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The bureaucracy blocking the chance at a cure
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Re: The bureaucracy blocking the chance at a cure
#42As someone who has looked at things like Renewable energy deployments within the UK, this is a pattern that seems to be quite pervasive across all industries. The byzantine web of planning approvals, goose counting, public outcry that you have to deal with to deploy essentially a relatively small solar farm is monstrous. What that results with is that the only people capable of creating & managing these processes hav…
At the end of the day there is no simple answer here. It's no different than the talks about AI that dominate HN these days. You can build good things with AI, but the vast majority of it is crap, so we put up filters and hoops to ensure we don't get flooded with that crap.
Re: The bureaucracy blocking the chance at a cure
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I don't see how you can blame this on feminists when other people should also have been pushing for those same rights? Why are you putting more of the blame on feminists and women than any other section of society here? It just reads as unhinged misogyny.
Re: The bureaucracy blocking the chance at a cure
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Have you ever considered that "finding cures for disease" is really fucking hard to do? Things that were easy to cure were already cured some time in the past century. What remains is the hard to crack nuts that resist simple scalable methods. There's money to be had in curing HIV - but good luck pulling that off. Maybe someone will, this century.
Have you ever considered that once a disease is cured, the industry can no longer profit off of it being a disease? Treating disease rather than curing it, is a much more profitable venture. How is there money to be had in curing HIV? It seems to me like it's much more profitable to continue selling expensive HIV treatments rather than curing the disease. Once a patient is cured, they no longer need to pay for expens…
If I get to undercut your entire "HIV treatment" business AND line my pockets with your entire market share, then, good for me, bad for you. Sucks to suck. Should have cured HIV first if you didn't want me to do it.
There are many, many, many examples of "newer and better treatment X kills the market share of older and worse treatment Y" in the history of healthcare. Your conspiracy theory model predicts this never happening.
Re: The bureaucracy blocking the chance at a cure
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you ever considered that "finding cures for disease" is really fucking hard to do? Things that were easy to cure were already cured some time in the past century. What remains is the hard to crack nuts that resist simple scalable methods. There's money to be had in curing HIV - but good luck pulling that off. Maybe someone will, this century.
Have you ever considered that once a disease is cured, the industry can no longer profit off of it being a disease? Treating disease rather than curing it, is a much more profitable venture. How is there money to be had in curing HIV? It seems to me like it's much more profitable to continue selling expensive HIV treatments rather than curing the disease. Once a patient is cured, they no longer need to pay for expens…
If your cynical take was correct, there would be no cures ever. And yet there are new ones all the time. For example, vaccines. There are way, way more vaccines developed in the 21st century than in the 250 years before that.
Vaccines against HPV have reduced incidence of cervical cancers to basically 0 in the cohorts that obtained them. How come? Shouldn't Big Cancer be interested in treating cervical cancers expensively and promoting relapses?
Even in cancers, your chances of surviving, say, Hodgkin's lymphoma, are now north of 90 per cent. The treatment is expensive, but time limited. You don't have to take pills for your entire life.
How does that square with your view of the medical system as a machine for prolonging diseases indefinitely?
Re: The bureaucracy blocking the chance at a cure
#46As someone who has looked at things like Renewable energy deployments within the UK, this is a pattern that seems to be quite pervasive across all industries. The byzantine web of planning approvals, goose counting, public outcry that you have to deal with to deploy essentially a relatively small solar farm is monstrous. What that results with is that the only people capable of creating & managing these processes hav…
That's what a lot of people seemingly struggle to understand. Inaction is not a safe action. Inaction has a price. And sometimes a death toll too.
Theoretically, the bureaucracy works on your behalf, but only approximately so. If it makes a mistake that kills you, the decision maker does not pay any price.
Re: The bureaucracy blocking the chance at a cure
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There are literally people in the UK in jail for tweets deemed to be incitement to violence. Maybe you think it's a good thing! I don't care! But it's ridiculous to argue over the facts on the ground.
What were the tweets?
Sources:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-68448867 (does not quote a single sticker that he was jailed for)
https://www.gbnews.com/news/sam-melia-free-speech-activists-...
Re: The bureaucracy blocking the chance at a cure
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Load of bollocks, this meme is tiresome. It's the USA that fires people and jails people for a month for social media posts https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-meme-tennessee-arres... Or if you want some actual context rather than twitter outrage bait https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB3WVygAM8I
There are literally people in the UK in jail for tweets deemed to be incitement to violence. Maybe you think it's a good thing! I don't care! But it's ridiculous to argue over the facts on the ground.
Re: The bureaucracy blocking the chance at a cure
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
What were the tweets?
I don't have examples of tweets handy, but here are stickers that get you 2 years in UK jail: They reportedly contained slogans such as “We will be a minority in our homeland by 2066”, “Mass immigration is white genocide”, “intolerance is a virtue” and “they seek conquest not asylum.” Sources: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-68448867 (does not quote a single sticker that he was jailed for) https://www.gbnew…
Re: The bureaucracy blocking the chance at a cure
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you ever considered that "finding cures for disease" is really fucking hard to do? Things that were easy to cure were already cured some time in the past century. What remains is the hard to crack nuts that resist simple scalable methods. There's money to be had in curing HIV - but good luck pulling that off. Maybe someone will, this century.
Have you ever considered that once a disease is cured, the industry can no longer profit off of it being a disease? Treating disease rather than curing it, is a much more profitable venture. How is there money to be had in curing HIV? It seems to me like it's much more profitable to continue selling expensive HIV treatments rather than curing the disease. Once a patient is cured, they no longer need to pay for expens…
To counter, have you realized HIV is an evolutionary entity that is optimized to continue existing by not fucking dying. HIV mutates like crazy. I mean there are other things like the flu that mutate, but because we have partial immunity to the flu we can use that immunity to create new vaccines every year against it.
It doesn't take much self research to see that HIV is a rather insane virus, and if somehow out of the gate it would have been wildly contagious that it could have wiped humanity.