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Re: Stop Sloppypasta

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Post by godelski »

alwa wrote: post #38
paseante wrote: post #27

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In the spirit you propose—Did you verify this? I notice that your comment history is all rapid-fire three-paragraph LLM responses. You do appear knowledgeable and respond quickly, but I've just dumped 10 minutes of my life into your attention in order to verify, parse, and filter through your responses. I can't tell whether you're a person who thought about something. Therefore, I can't tell whether, for example, htt…

  > I notice that your comment history is all rapid-fire three-paragraph LLM responses
I looked after you said this and those are all from today, in the last hour. And is a stark change from their (very short) comment history.

In particular these two comments are extremely suspicious[0,1]. I think even if not LLM generated I highlights something likely wrong, which paseante themselves states!

  >> a long, detailed response in Slack implied the person had spent time thinking
There's 2 minutes between these comments, on different threads (I also noticed they did similar things in a few threads as I typed this out). While the timing is reasonable for the amount of words written it does not seem adequate for reading the article and/or other comments. Personally, I find that kind of behavior rude as it enshitifies the social space the rest of us are in[2].

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47392999

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47393012

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47393465

Re: Stop Sloppypasta

#42

Post by [deleted] »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #40

If I was a bot I would probably write some perfectly punctuated garbage about how your site is a crucial testament to the ever evolving digital landscape or use big words to delve into the multifaceted tapestry of internet ethics. But honestly your website about stopping sloppy pasta is just so dumb and a complete waste of time. Your acting like somebody writing a fake story with ai is the end of the world or somethi…

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Re: Stop Sloppypasta

#44

Post by lich_king »

madrox wrote: post #8

I find that I don't have a lot of sympathy for people angry at this type of behavior, even though I share the disdain for someone else's AI output. The people doing this kind of thing are not the kind of people to be reading this manifesto. We've been creating bait content for a long time, and humans have never been given the tools to manage this in any sophisticated fashion. The internet was not a bastion of high qu…

I don't think that "it's more of the same" is a good way to think about it. The internet contained a lot of low-quality content, but even low-quality content used to be fairly expensive and time-consuming to produce. Further, you could immediately discern bottom-of-the-barrel content-farmed nonsense by the writing style alone. Now, LLMs make it practically free to generate unlimited amounts of slop that drowns out human-written stuff, and they can imitate the style hints we used to depend on for quick screening.

Re: Stop Sloppypasta

#45

Post by mattbee »

uniq7 wrote: post #4

This article's proposal for stopping sloppypasta is to convince the people who does it to stop doing it, but I am more interested on what someone who receives sloppypasta can do. How do I tell my colleagues to stop contributing unverified AI output without creating tension between us? I've never did that so far because I feel like I am either exposing their serious lack of professionalism or, if I wrongly assumed it…

"I'm sorry to ask, but have you forwarded me unedited output from an LLM? I'd rather hear what you think!"

Re: Stop Sloppypasta

#47

Post by namnnumbr »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #40

If I was a bot I would probably write some perfectly punctuated garbage about how your site is a crucial testament to the ever evolving digital landscape or use big words to delve into the multifaceted tapestry of internet ethics. But honestly your website about stopping sloppy pasta is just so dumb and a complete waste of time. Your acting like somebody writing a fake story with ai is the end of the world or somethi…

if you used an AI, I'd love to see the prompts you used to get such human grammar and spelling errors

Re: Stop Sloppypasta

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Post by madrox »

lich_king wrote: post #44
madrox wrote: post #8

I find that I don't have a lot of sympathy for people angry at this type of behavior, even though I share the disdain for someone else's AI output. The people doing this kind of thing are not the kind of people to be reading this manifesto. We've been creating bait content for a long time, and humans have never been given the tools to manage this in any sophisticated fashion. The internet was not a bastion of high qu…

I don't think that "it's more of the same" is a good way to think about it. The internet contained a lot of low-quality content, but even low-quality content used to be fairly expensive and time-consuming to produce. Further, you could immediately discern bottom-of-the-barrel content-farmed nonsense by the writing style alone. Now, LLMs make it practically free to generate unlimited amounts of slop that drowns out hu…

Yet how are the alternative ways of thinking about it better? Spending your time angry about what others can do? In any era, that’s a poor life philosophy.

The problem is the same as it has always been. Figure out how to use your time and attention effectively,

Re: Stop Sloppypasta

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Post by madrox »

valicord wrote: post #15
madrox wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If I'm asking humans, I want to see human responses I find this fascinating, honestly. It shouldn't matter as long as it addresses your ask, yet it does. I also wish I could filter social media on "it's not X. It's Y" Because it's probably not actually about the content but the sense of connection. People want to feel like they're connecting to people. That they're being worthy of someone's else's time and attentio…

> It shouldn't matter as long as it addresses your ask But it doesn't? I'm more than capable of using Google and chatgpt myself. If I was looking for a machine generated answer to my question I would have already found it myself and never made the post in the first place. If I went to the effort of posting the question, it means that either the slop answer is not sufficient for some reason or that I want to hear from…

I think it is reasonable, yes, but I don’t think it’s ever been reasonable to expect reasonableness on the internet. We have a difficult enough time showing each other decency.

Re: Stop Sloppypasta

#50

Post by giantrobot »

uniq7 wrote: post #34
userbinator wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do I tell my colleagues to stop contributing unverified AI output without creating tension between us? Make them realise they're replacing themselves if they continue down that path. "What value do you have if you're just acting as a pipe to the AI?"

If I tell someone literally "What value do you have if you're just acting as a pipe to the AI?", I'm pretty sure my manager will schedule a quick 1:1 to ask me why I'm telling peers that they have no value.

Schedule the 1:1 first to let your manager know your peers have no value.
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