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Six ingenious ways how Canon DSLRs used to illuminate their autofocus points

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Re: Six ingenious ways how Canon DSLRs used to illuminate their autofocus points

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comment reads like an LLM summary. And we don’t typically get an OP summary on a new post. Just post it and let people read it.

HN appears to encourage it, because it shows a text box which becomes a top level comment when you submit, although it isn't obvious that will happen.

That box doesn't become a comment, does it? It goes into the description that shows under the link.

Re: Six ingenious ways how Canon DSLRs used to illuminate their autofocus points

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@ExAr I suspect your comment was downvoted to oblivion because people didn't realize you're the OP and thought you were an LLM summarizer bot :(

I only realized they weren't a bot when i went to look at the other comment history.

Re: Six ingenious ways how Canon DSLRs used to illuminate their autofocus points

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Does AF use LIDAR nowadays?

The only AF systems that use LIDAR are the one on the newest Hasselblad medium format mirrorless cameras (since DJI owns Hasselblad and can leverage the tech from drones/cinema cameras) and possibly some phones.

I suspect it's fairly challenging to implement since the LIDAR sensor doesn't operate through the lens, so you'd have to continuously align the depth map with the image to account for parallax; plus it's only useful for close-ish distances (since the lasers can't be too powerful) and can cause unwanted focus behavior with windows or reflections.

Re: Six ingenious ways how Canon DSLRs used to illuminate their autofocus points

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Does AF use LIDAR nowadays?

Maybe in some niches, but for most modern ILCs (e.x. Sony E mount, Nikon Z mount, etc etc etc) it is typically some form or another of On-sensor Phase Detection coupled with Contrast Detection for finer tuning. The biggest advantage compared to older SLR designs are that Phase Detection can now work with full light (vs whatever got split off on an SLR pentaprism for the dedicated AF sensor) and can work in conjunctio…

Note that Canon used dual pixel AF on those older SLRs as well, switching depending on the mode.

Re: Six ingenious ways how Canon DSLRs used to illuminate their autofocus points

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This article presents the inventive solutions Canon has found to shoot beams of light into the camera's viewfinder in order to light up individual autofocus points. Six different approaches are shown using six Canon DSLR models between 1994 and 2009.

It's absolutely wild to me that this function would be so important as to justify all the time and effort to create not just two, but six entirely different ways of solving it. The first one seemed perfectly adequate to me. But I guess that's why I'm not a Canon engineer.

For most stuff it's not a huge deal. Keep in mind however that for years the latest and greatest pro camera bodies were going to people getting photos at the Olympics and things like Formula 1.

Getting something or someone flying through the air at high and unpredictable speed perfectly in focus is pretty impressive

Re: Six ingenious ways how Canon DSLRs used to illuminate their autofocus points

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I haven't used all of them, but I have used both the 9 point and the 45 point types, and the difference is massive. The 45 point was far, far more tactile and responsive. I don't mean speed of autofocus, but the actual way that the points sit over top of the viewfinder and light up, it's hard to explain. I'm sure part of that is software, but owning an older model and then trying out a newer one in the camera store i…

On the other hand in actual usage i don't think that they are really that different. It's useful for sports/wildlife for focusing closest moving target (and speed of AF on these cameras was not that quick so you were hunting focus anyway). Otherwise selecting some offset autofocus point is pretty niche. With more static subjects majority of photographers would use the single middle point, focus and then recompose. It…

I started to write a stupid comment about how insanely fast the focus on the EOS R5 C is- only to remember it’s a non reflex !

The difference in focal time between my 5D mkii even with the best lenses, and the R5 C with a cine servo or vcm is insane. The R5 feels instant and only ever searches if it’s been locked to an inappropriate point.

Re: Six ingenious ways how Canon DSLRs used to illuminate their autofocus points

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hijacking the thread to ask: under 200€ DSLR to get started?

You can get a Canon 5D II or a Canon 6D for that. Older cameras for sure, but full frame with excellent sensors. And there are a ton of inexpensive used EF lenses available. Compared to moderns systems the main difference is the autofocus and video capabilities. Modern mirrorless have cosmically better tracking, eye detect etc.

The 5D mkii (or mkIV) are fantastic cameras - the Mkii when coupled with magic lantern is a fantastic camera still in my opinion.

Glass is of course important, but I’ve taken nearly all of the digital shots I’m proud of on a mkii.

(Most of the images I’ve captured that I’m truly proud of were on tmax or ektar… various camera bodies usually coupled to decent lenses )

Re: Six ingenious ways how Canon DSLRs used to illuminate their autofocus points

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can get a Canon 5D II or a Canon 6D for that. Older cameras for sure, but full frame with excellent sensors. And there are a ton of inexpensive used EF lenses available. Compared to moderns systems the main difference is the autofocus and video capabilities. Modern mirrorless have cosmically better tracking, eye detect etc.

Full frame sensor = full frame lenses = heavy and expensive. You need something light that you want to carry with you. Otherwise what's the point of having the best medium format camera + lens that you have at home, collecting dust. That means a camera APS-C or micro four thirds sensor might suit better to someone who is new to photography.

Full frame DSLRs are heavy because of the big mirror box. Mirrorless full frame cameras are a lot lighter. An APS-C Canon R7 is bigger than my full frame Canon RP. Coupled with a light prime it's almost indistinguishable from a compact camera and delivers better image quality than most of those.
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