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Re: Traffic from Russia to Cloudflare is 60% down from last year

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Post by pixl97 »

orbital-decay wrote: post #36
tokai wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you talk or write with Russians, its quite clear that they don't care. A majority of them are not following any kind of news, and the ones that are follow pro government stuff. Even though telegram was banned, the majority of all Russian channels are pro-government.[0] [0] https://cedarus.io/research/what-do-russians-read

I do both in real life, and it's quite clear that what you say is false. Remember that media and online spaces are not a reflection of the reality on the ground. Your own link even discusses one of the reasons for that: dissident media tries to fill the gap avoided by loyal media, of course all that seems similar and manipulative as a result, because they don't write about anything else. Some do understand that, but…

Russia has very effective media in using the firehose of falsehood (Trump and his media groups follow the same pattern). You fill the field with so many lies that Bullshit Asymmetry makes it near impossible to figure out the truth.

The entire point is making everyone so tired all the time and feel like they can't make any progress. Then the government as less work of finding the few places where people congregate and stop them from meeting there.

Re: Traffic from Russia to Cloudflare is 60% down from last year

#42

Post by adgjlsfhk1 »

ekropotin wrote: post #23
tananaev wrote: post #13

Russia has been slowly cracking down on popular communication and media platforms. First they slow down connection to unusable speeds. This happened to YouTube at some point last year. At first they even said that it's something wrong with Google and it's not them. I think the intention is to slowly get people off the platform without completely blocking it. Then eventually they block access completely. Same happened…

Russia seems to be executing CCP’s playbook. They even trying to push everyone to their version of WeChat, which is called Max.

oh cool, I didn't know hbo had a Russian messaging service

Re: Traffic from Russia to Cloudflare is 60% down from last year

#43

Post by flexagoon »

moralestapia wrote: post #35
tananaev wrote: post #13

Russia has been slowly cracking down on popular communication and media platforms. First they slow down connection to unusable speeds. This happened to YouTube at some point last year. At first they even said that it's something wrong with Google and it's not them. I think the intention is to slowly get people off the platform without completely blocking it. Then eventually they block access completely. Same happened…

What do they use, instead? It's not like they don't want any videos online.

> What do they use, instead?

a VPN

Re: Traffic from Russia to Cloudflare is 60% down from last year

#44

Post by flexagoon »

egorfine wrote: post #10

Can we conclude that this means the Great Firewall of russia is working and ~60% of population does not care? Update: no. Russian people who care use VPN and thus are not counted as russian traffic.

People who do care use a VPN and don't get counted as Russian traffic

Re: Traffic from Russia to Cloudflare is 60% down from last year

#45

Post by sega_sai »

_fat_santa wrote: post #17
tananaev wrote: post #13

Russia has been slowly cracking down on popular communication and media platforms. First they slow down connection to unusable speeds. This happened to YouTube at some point last year. At first they even said that it's something wrong with Google and it's not them. I think the intention is to slowly get people off the platform without completely blocking it. Then eventually they block access completely. Same happened…

I have family in Russia and it's a sad state of affairs. Our ability to communicate with them is slowly degrading to the point where now I am looking into self-hosted communications.

I have a similar situation and Amnezia (either in WG mode or Xray mode) works well with a self-hosted server. Also SSH tunnel as proxy so far also works.

Re: Traffic from Russia to Cloudflare is 60% down from last year

#46

Post by orbital-decay »

pixl97 wrote: post #41
orbital-decay wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do both in real life, and it's quite clear that what you say is false. Remember that media and online spaces are not a reflection of the reality on the ground. Your own link even discusses one of the reasons for that: dissident media tries to fill the gap avoided by loyal media, of course all that seems similar and manipulative as a result, because they don't write about anything else. Some do understand that, but…

Russia has very effective media in using the firehose of falsehood (Trump and his media groups follow the same pattern). You fill the field with so many lies that Bullshit Asymmetry makes it near impossible to figure out the truth. The entire point is making everyone so tired all the time and feel like they can't make any progress. Then the government as less work of finding the few places where people congregate and…

Yes, my point is "censorship and bots do work" does not equal "people don't care". People online often imagine themselves to be pretty informed about some other country, especially if they communicate with people from that country. This is delusional, I can't claim I know much about "average reality of living in Brazil" even though I communicate with people from there, follow some media, have traveled across it on a motorcycle, and was a guest to some friends there. This is even less true for current Russia.

Re: Traffic from Russia to Cloudflare is 60% down from last year

#47

Post by mandeepj »

tananaev wrote: post #13

Russia has been slowly cracking down on popular communication and media platforms. First they slow down connection to unusable speeds. This happened to YouTube at some point last year. At first they even said that it's something wrong with Google and it's not them. I think the intention is to slowly get people off the platform without completely blocking it. Then eventually they block access completely. Same happened…

VPNs didn't help?

Re: Traffic from Russia to Cloudflare is 60% down from last year

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Post by egorfine »

flexagoon wrote: post #44
egorfine wrote: post #10

Can we conclude that this means the Great Firewall of russia is working and ~60% of population does not care? Update: no. Russian people who care use VPN and thus are not counted as russian traffic.

People who do care use a VPN and don't get counted as Russian traffic

Ahhh so that completely invalidates my hypothesis. I stand corrected.

Re: Traffic from Russia to Cloudflare is 60% down from last year

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Post by Terr_ »

esafak wrote: post #31
ekropotin wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia seems to be executing CCP’s playbook. They even trying to push everyone to their version of WeChat, which is called Max.

Perhaps they could use an encryption program that uses the sanctioned app as the transport layer. Like how people used to use PGP with email.

That might satisfy message-privacy and connectivity, but it seems it'd be vulnerable when it comes to identity-privacy and detection.

I suppose you could use an LLM on each end to write superficially plausible messages and use ~sten~ steganography, although then there's still the problem of "Weird, this user types at 500WPM without sleeping."

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