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Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by esseph »

prngl wrote: post #5

It's funny how the false choice of American politics (Red vs Blue) also makes it into its consumerist corporatist life. That Anthropic's threadbare "limits" on government usage are seen as a heroic stand is a testament to just how far the goalposts on "ethical" deployment of AI have moved to the (fascist) right. As ever, politics precedes technology. We have Reagan's internet, we will have Trump's AI. God help us.

> We have Reagan's internet

I've been on the internet since 93 or 94 and I've never once heard it called that. If anything, "Al Gore".

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by scuff3d »

LaurensBER wrote: post #2

I really enjoyed using Claude but the ever changing limits, weird policies (limited to Claude Code, you can't run Openclaw, etc) made switching a very easy choice. OpenAI simply provides more value for the money at the moment.

I tend to use LLMs more for research then actual coding, so I ended up going with GPT over Claude because it's chat interface just seems to work better for me. It balances out Claude being slightly better at software tasks.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by ValentineC »

xscott wrote: post #34
causal wrote: post #31

It helps a lot that Claude is just better. Codex isn't BAD, and in some narrow technical ways might even be more capable, but I find Claude to be hands-down the best collaborator of all the AI models and it has never been close.

Can you expand on that. I've been wanting to try Claude for a while, but their payment processing wouldn't take any of my credit cards (they work everywhere else, so it's not the cards). I've heard I can work around this by installing their mobile app or something, but it was extra hurdles, so I didn't try very hard. And I've been absolutely amazed with Codex. I started using that with version ChatGPT 5.3-Codex, and…

> I've been wanting to try Claude for a while, but their payment processing wouldn't take any of my credit cards (they work everywhere else, so it's not the cards). I've heard I can work around this by installing their mobile app or something, but it was extra hurdles, so I didn't try very hard.

Not Claude Code specifically, but you can try the Claude Opus and Sonnet 4.6 models for free using Google Antigravity.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by cmiles8 »

All this demonstrates how non-sticky all this tech really is. When your product is basically just an API call it’s trivial to just swap you out for someone else. As such it’s unclear what the prize at the end of the present race to the bottom is.

We swapped OpenAI out for Claude and it required updating about 15 lines of code. All these guys are just commodity to us. If next week there’s a better supplier of commodity AI we’ll spend an hour and swap to something else again. There’s zero loyalty here.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by 112233 »

causal wrote: post #31

It helps a lot that Claude is just better. Codex isn't BAD, and in some narrow technical ways might even be more capable, but I find Claude to be hands-down the best collaborator of all the AI models and it has never been close.

Interesting to hear! I've had completely opposite experience, with Claude having 5 minutes of peerless lucidity, followed by panicking, existential crisis, attempts to sabotage it's own tests and code, psyops targeted at making user doubt their computer, OS, memory... Plus it prompts every 15 seconds, with alternative being YOLO.

Meanwhile codex is ... boring. It keeps chugging on, asking for "please proceed" once in a while. No drama. Which is in complete contrast with ChatGPT the chatbot, that is a completely unusable, arrogant, unhelpful, and confrontational. How they made both from the same loaf I dunno.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by causal »

LaurensBER wrote: post #36
causal wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're totally allowed to use Claude for OpenClaw and you're totally able to use Claude Code with non-Anthropic models. You must be referring to the fact that you have to use an API key and cannot use the auth intended for Claude-only products, which AFAIK is the same at every AI company (with Google destroying whole Google accounts for offenders most recently).

OpenAI and Github Copilot do explicitly allow this, so do many of the new/Chinese providers such as Synthetic, Z.ai, etc. Anthropic is the outlier here, obviously they can limit their subscriptions as they want but it's a major disadvantage compared to their competitors.

> OpenAI ... explicitly allow this

Explicit means it's stated in OpenAI docs somewhere, but I can't find it. Link?

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by causal »

112233 wrote: post #45
causal wrote: post #31

It helps a lot that Claude is just better. Codex isn't BAD, and in some narrow technical ways might even be more capable, but I find Claude to be hands-down the best collaborator of all the AI models and it has never been close.

Interesting to hear! I've had completely opposite experience, with Claude having 5 minutes of peerless lucidity, followed by panicking, existential crisis, attempts to sabotage it's own tests and code, psyops targeted at making user doubt their computer, OS, memory... Plus it prompts every 15 seconds, with alternative being YOLO. Meanwhile codex is ... boring. It keeps chugging on, asking for "please proceed" once in…

> psyops targeted at making user doubt their computer

IDEK what that means, specific examples?

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by fluidcruft »

lavezzi wrote: post #37
t0mas88 wrote: post #11

> OpenAI, meanwhile, has been attempting to quell the backlash against its deal with the U.S. government, putting out a blog post claiming that “our tools will not be used to conduct domestic surveillance of U.S. persons,” As a non-US person, that sounds far more concerning than no statement at all. Because if their tools weren't used for surveillance against Europeans they would have said so as a marketing message..…

> "We have these two red lines... Not allowing Anthropic's AI to perform mass surveillance of Americans, and prohibiting its AI from powering fully-autonomous weapons..." Anthropic literally said the same, but seem to be getting positive PR. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ai-executive-dario-amodei-on-th...

The difference is that Anthropic actually dotted the i's and crossed the t's whereas OpenAI fell for the weaselwords and is now desperately trying to renegotiate.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by clcaev »

spwa4 wrote: post #15
t0mas88 wrote: post #11

> OpenAI, meanwhile, has been attempting to quell the backlash against its deal with the U.S. government, putting out a blog post claiming that “our tools will not be used to conduct domestic surveillance of U.S. persons,” As a non-US person, that sounds far more concerning than no statement at all. Because if their tools weren't used for surveillance against Europeans they would have said so as a marketing message..…

It's amazing how bad FANG executives are at even knowing what a normal moral thought would be for average people ... Plus, you know, you'd think they'd ask their cleaner or baker or something. Or hire someone.

Executives are certainly capable of understanding moral/ethical concerns.

Around 2005, a Yale Psychology PhD candidate asked me to write a web-based survey instrument with various questions, some on complex but straight forward business questions (the controls) and others with moral/ethical aspects. Senior executives participated and they answered similarly to rank & file, often completing the entire survey much faster. What they didn't know -- we were tracking how long they spent on each question. Questions with moral/ethical concerns took senior executives relatively longer than the rank & file.

Late Addendum: Sorry that I don't recall the author/paper. The survey population spanned multiple industries representing many Fortune 500s, including huge tech companies. The survey was the same for everyone. The questions were story problems from business and law school case reports. The participating companies were anonymized on our end. We provided HR departments with survey link; only subject rank (not identity) was collected. Survey was voluntary, with informed consent according to IRB approval.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by kromokromo »

causal wrote: post #31

It helps a lot that Claude is just better. Codex isn't BAD, and in some narrow technical ways might even be more capable, but I find Claude to be hands-down the best collaborator of all the AI models and it has never been close.

I’ve been juggling between ChatGPT, Claude and Gemini for the last couple of years, but ChatGPT has always been my main driver.

Recently did the full transition to Claude, the model is great, but what I really love is how they seem to have landed on a clear path for their GUI/ecosystem. The cowork feature fits my workflows really well and connecting enterprise apps, skills and plugins works really well.

Haven’t been this excited about AI since GPT 4o launched.

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