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Stop using grey text (2025)

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Re: Stop using grey text (2025)

#41
post #23

While we're wishing, let's bring back serifs. I, for one, would like to be able to tell the difference between AI and Al without context clues, and using an inherently lossy font is the opposite of "readability".

You are not alone.

I got criticism on my blog for using a serif font but those people are just … wrong. Serif fonts are just better for reading at all font sizes.

Re: Stop using grey text (2025)

#42
post #23

While we're wishing, let's bring back serifs. I, for one, would like to be able to tell the difference between AI and Al without context clues, and using an inherently lossy font is the opposite of "readability".

This Al fellow seems to have gotten up to all sorts of trouble! Probably because he keeps hallucinating.

Re: Stop using grey text (2025)

#43
post #16

For an opposing view, https://ianstormtaylor.com/design-tip-never-use-black/

Wow, I was searching for this exact link for more than a decade (!). I remember seeing it on HN when I was new here and couldn't find the article ever again. Thanks for sharing!

Re: Stop using grey text (2025)

#44
post #23

While we're wishing, let's bring back serifs. I, for one, would like to be able to tell the difference between AI and Al without context clues, and using an inherently lossy font is the opposite of "readability".

Agreed. I'm very glad Hacker News uses a typeface with serifs on 'I's, 'l's, and '1's. "Sans serif" can be descriptive, rather than prescriptive.

Re: Stop using grey text (2025)

#46
post #23

While we're wishing, let's bring back serifs. I, for one, would like to be able to tell the difference between AI and Al without context clues, and using an inherently lossy font is the opposite of "readability".

This Al fellow seems to have gotten up to all sorts of trouble! Probably because he keeps hallucinating.

For a while I'd see "Weird Al" in random headlines or something and my brain would read it as "Weird A.I." and I kept getting very confused.

Re: Stop using grey text (2025)

#47

The article could have been more useful if its point was just 'use sufficient contrast'. As it is, the article is overly prescriptive, and feels like trying too hard to be sensational or cute.

Maybe the author is not that informed?

Maximum readability for humans is black text on light grey. Contrast is not the only thing that matters.

Re: Stop using grey text (2025)

#48
post #16

For an opposing view, https://ianstormtaylor.com/design-tip-never-use-black/

But the author of that page is not concerned with readability or accessibility. He just wants things to look cool and design-y. One piece of supporting evidence he cites is some random photo he took that doesn't contain #000000 black. That doesn't mean anything, it could be that it's over-exposed, or has poor contrast, or had some silly filter applied. This leads me to think that the author of that page doesn't know…

So you routinely encounter photographs that have noticable areas where sensor did not receive any light during exposure? To the point where you feel not having completely unlit parts of a photo is a sign of over-exposure or filters? Are you an astrophotographer?

Re: Stop using grey text (2025)

#49

Dark/charcoal grey is better than pure black for text. But it's still dark enough that most people would call it black.

The problem is contrast , really. Some color combos are terrible, and you also have issues with color-blindness (which is why gray is used a lot). Gray text, against a gray background, can suck. I’m getting on in years, and low-contrast text affects me a lot more, these days, than it used to.

Yeah, nothing like neon green on magenta. So much contrast, my eyes each read their own line... ZX Spectrum had some excellent color combinations

Re: Stop using grey text (2025)

#50
Your design will be looked at in direct sunlight on a six inch, non-color-calibrated screen. Stop using low contrast and extralight fonts.

Next time we'll ship your Mac. No, we won't give you a new one.

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