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CBP tapped into the online advertising ecosystem to track peoples’ movements

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Re: CBP tapped into the online advertising ecosystem to track peoples’ movements

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It always kinda amazes me how people panic about gov data use but barely blink at the private sector doing the exact same thing… except way less transparently.

Like yeah, sure, governments collecting data deserves scrutiny. 100%. But at least in most democracies there are audits, oversight bodies, privacy commissioners, courts, access to information laws, etc. There are actual mechanisms where someone can ask “why are you doing this?” and force an answer.

Meanwhile we hand over our location, browsing habits, shopping patterns, sleep schedule, and probably our favorite pizza topping to dozens of private companies every day. Those companies can aggregate it, sell it, profile you, feed it into ad markets, train models with it, or ship it across borders… and most of the time nobody outside the company even knows it’s happening.

So yeah, data collection in general is worth debating. But the irony is wild when people lose their minds over the one place that at least has some governance and accountability, while the entire private ad-tech ecosystem is basically “trust us bro” with a 40-page terms of service nobody reads.

Re: CBP tapped into the online advertising ecosystem to track peoples’ movements

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither the government nor an ad agency needs to know where I am, no matter how "rough" the data is. It's none of their business.

At this point, your device is not giving anyone your location without explicit permission. So it really just comes down to your IP Address, which services do need.

IP Address is all you need to get fairly accurate (town or neighborhood) location for most of North America.

But it is necessary to send it somewhere, otherwise the internet wouldn't work.

Unfortunately it seems to have become accepted for our devices to communicate constantly and often with services we never explicitly started communication with (like Ad networks used in Apps).

Permission systems on devices should care about Network connections just as much as Location. Ideally when installing an app you'd get the list of domains it requests to communicate with, and you could toggle them. Bonus points if the app store made it a requirement to identify which Domains are third parties and the category like an Ad service.

Re: CBP tapped into the online advertising ecosystem to track peoples’ movements

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point, your device is not giving anyone your location without explicit permission. So it really just comes down to your IP Address, which services do need.

I think your is statement is inaccurate to the point of being intentionally misleading: Many devices, when running, and in some cases even if turned off but connected to their battery, will ping cell towers (maybe even BLE/Wifi) and get triangulated by the network infrastructure (such as cell towers) without actively broadcasting the GPS location. That's why I don't quite understand why the gubernment needs to have f…

That location information is not available to apps or ad networks without user consent. The government can access it from the carrier with a warrant, but that's not what we're discussing here.

Re: CBP tapped into the online advertising ecosystem to track peoples’ movements

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post #40

I have 26 apps on my phone. Of those, four are Safari extensions, one is a PWA and another I wrote myself. I use a restrictive nextDNS profile that also blocks Apple's native tracking (as best they can) and don't use social media. I feel like that's the best I can realistically do.

...and the phone itself broadcasts your position to the cell towers with remarkable accuracy, 24 hours a day.

Re: CBP tapped into the online advertising ecosystem to track peoples’ movements

#47
>For years, the internet advertising industry has been sucking up our data, including our location data

For years, people have been sharing everything they do, what they do, people they spent time with, where they live.

Advertisement industry just adds more info to complete your profile, what you buy, what you watch, what you speak online, etc.

Re: CBP tapped into the online advertising ecosystem to track peoples’ movements

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post #40

I have 26 apps on my phone. Of those, four are Safari extensions, one is a PWA and another I wrote myself. I use a restrictive nextDNS profile that also blocks Apple's native tracking (as best they can) and don't use social media. I feel like that's the best I can realistically do.

...and the phone itself broadcasts your position to the cell towers with remarkable accuracy, 24 hours a day.

Hence the "realistically" qualifier.

Re: CBP tapped into the online advertising ecosystem to track peoples’ movements

#49

>For years, the internet advertising industry has been sucking up our data, including our location data For years, people have been sharing everything they do, what they do, people they spent time with, where they live. Advertisement industry just adds more info to complete your profile, what you buy, what you watch, what you speak online, etc.

People here complain that programmers aren’t engineers because real engineers can accidentally kill people and get sued if they mess an equation up. Instead of just breaking a build or something.

I think it’s more concerning that programmers seem to have no care or shame about designing systems that works against the users’ interests. Did you share something intimate in our chat? Well it’s not E2E, moron, we have that now. How could you be this stupid?

I can’t think of another profession (except pure value extraction types) which revels in exploiting people for not having the time or care to arrange their digital lives around the booby traps that nerds set for them.

Re: CBP tapped into the online advertising ecosystem to track peoples’ movements

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Turn off the phone entirely.

Most have internal batteries and are still "on" to a certain extent unless the battery is completely discharged.

It's "on" enough to detect the activity needed to wake it back up. But will a powered-off phone still be pinging cell towers or making WiFi requests?
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